From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Apr 17 14:34:21 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Alexander Lamb) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 15:34:21 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Is OpenGroupware the solution for me? Message-ID: Hello, Since I am new to the list, let me present myself. My name is Alexander Lamb, I live in France but work in Geneva. I worked for NeXT, then Apple, so when I read "Objective-C" it sort of reminded me of good memories! I did quite a lot of OpenStep/Objective-C then WebObjects/Java development, but lately I am probably a bit rusty as a developer since I am now an IT manager at the Geneva University Hospital. Nevertheless, I can certainly still get my way through a database install or a recompile of a project! Contributing may be another matter, more for a question of time (maried, kids, house, work... you know:-) Ok, here is the context: I need to find a solution to manage a shared calendar for a small medical practice (my wife is a physician). There are 3 physicians, and 2-3 nurses for treatments (oncology). I searched a lot of the web but either found pure calendar solutions (such as meeting maker) of full featured (more or less) CMS (Mambo, etc...) or groupware (Zimbra). I don't like PhP. I like SIMPLE solutions. They all were much too complicated to setup and not easily extensible. Another problem I have is it needs to be Mac and Windows compatible. My first real need is therefore for a calendar for each user (3 physicians and 3 beds). The possibility for the secretary to enter patients appointments. Same for the users (sometimes the physician will take an appointment sometimes it will be the secretary). It must be possible to display the day with the appointments of the 3 physicians and maybe the 3 beds (ideally 6 columns). The physician must be able to find the next appointment scheduled for a patient and well as the previous appointment and optionnaly enter some comments. Since the practice is small, confidentiality is not the first concern. In a second stage, I will need to be able to upload patient into the OpenGroupware database (or vice versa) from an invoicing program. Also, maybe store documents on a per contact (patient) basis. Questions: 1) How long (easy) is it to setup an OpenGroupware server on MacOSX? (taking into account my profile) 2) With the basic system (e.g. no customization except accounts creation) is it possible to "start working" from a Web interface? 3) Some classes make me think of WebObjects. Does that mean I could customize some templates? Are there re-usable wo-components? 4) I am not certain I understood what process exist: is it a single process (unix process) handling everything or is it a kind of Apache module? 5) I understand I need to install PostgreSQL (recommended). It probably means I can get to the data quite easily? 6) I understand it is possible to use iCal to view the calendar, however is it really necessary since the HTML version seems quite nice? 7) Considering my previous questions and context, which version should I start with? and how easy is it to upgrade? (for example if I start with version 1, and then want to benefit or contribute to items in 1.1, is it easy to upgrade)? Put differently, is it better in my situation to start with the lastest stable build for MacOSX or go for a previous final release? Thanks, Alex -- Alexander Lamb alamb@mac.com From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Apr 17 15:14:36 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 10:14:36 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Is OpenGroupware the solution for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> --=-C9xX1mH01EtrHtkPMQdJ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > development, but lately I am probably a bit rusty as a developer =20 > since I am now an IT manager at the Geneva University Hospital. =20 I know the feeling, I used to program but now do mostly system administration and integration. > I need to find a solution to manage a shared calendar for a small =20 > medical practice (my wife is a physician). There are 3 physicians, =20 > and 2-3 nurses for treatments (oncology). I searched a lot of the web =20 > but either found pure calendar solutions (such as meeting maker) of =20 > full featured (more or less) CMS (Mambo, etc...) or groupware =20 > (Zimbra). I don't like PhP. I like SIMPLE solutions.=20 I guess it depends on how you define "SIMPLE", I wouldn't call OpenGroupware or any real groupware package SIMPLE. It is pretty simple to administer and use. > My first real need is therefore for a calendar for each user (3 =20 > physicians and 3 beds). The possibility for the secretary to enter =20 > patients appointments. Same for the users (sometimes the physician =20 > will take an appointment sometimes it will be the secretary). There is one calender in OGo, appointments have participants and access permissions (actually a nicer model then multiple calendars once you get used to it). You should be able to accomplish what you want. > It must be possible to display the day with the appointments of the 3 =20 > physicians and maybe the 3 beds (ideally 6 columns). Not certain what you mean. > The physician must be able to find the next appointment scheduled for =20 > a patient and well as the previous appointment and optionnaly enter =20 > some comments. Appointments have notes. If the patients are entered into the system as contacts they can be tied to appointments, the contact view I think shows the previous and upcoming 30(?) days. > Since the practice is small, confidentiality is not the first concern. > In a second stage, I will need to be able to upload patient into the =20 > OpenGroupware database (or vice versa) from an invoicing program. =20 > Also, maybe store documents on a per contact (patient) basis. You can import delimited files. > 1) > How long (easy) is it to setup an OpenGroupware server on MacOSX? =20 > (taking into account my profile) No idea, we are a SuSe shop. > 2) > With the basic system (e.g. no customization except accounts =20 > creation) is it possible to "start working" from a Web interface? Yes. > 3) > Some classes make me think of WebObjects. Does that mean I could =20 > customize some templates? Are there re-usable wo-components? Templates can be modified. > 4) > I am not certain I understood what process exist: is it a single =20 > process (unix process) handling everything or is it a kind of Apache =20 > module? The OGo daemon is accessed via an Apache module. > 5) > I understand I need to install PostgreSQL (recommended). It probably =20 > means I can get to the data quite easily? Yes. > 6) > I understand it is possible to use iCal to view the calendar, however =20 > is it really necessary since the HTML version seems quite nice? It isn't necessary. > 7) > Considering my previous questions and context, which version should I =20 > start with? and how easy is it to upgrade? (for example if I start =20 > with version 1, and then want to benefit or contribute to items in =20 > 1.1, is it easy to upgrade)? Put differently, is it better in my =20 > situation to start with the lastest stable build for MacOSX or go for =20 > a previous final release? If you want roles for appointment particpants which are quite usefule you need to use 1.1.x, otherwise you can use 1.0.x. --=-C9xX1mH01EtrHtkPMQdJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEQ6LMLRePpNle04MRAnV+AJ9ebQ6xKt4Dr8iFVEtVB09bf8LPXQCeI3MI 3UYoSZqr5FUV49SNi+5J2JY= =/O8r -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-C9xX1mH01EtrHtkPMQdJ-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Apr 17 15:35:37 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Alexander Lamb) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 16:35:37 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Is OpenGroupware the solution for me? In-Reply-To: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> References: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> Message-ID: <3629DC48-831F-4CAE-838C-BC3A10496FE2@mac.com> > Thanks a lot for the fast response! >> I need to find a solution to manage a shared calendar for a small >> medical practice (my wife is a physician). There are 3 physicians, >> and 2-3 nurses for treatments (oncology). I searched a lot of the web >> but either found pure calendar solutions (such as meeting maker) of >> full featured (more or less) CMS (Mambo, etc...) or groupware >> (Zimbra). I don't like PhP. I like SIMPLE solutions. > > I guess it depends on how you define "SIMPLE", I wouldn't call > OpenGroupware or any real groupware package SIMPLE. It is pretty > simple > to administer and use. I also meant simple to install and configure. But your answers below make me think it is at least as "simple" as any other CMS! > >> My first real need is therefore for a calendar for each user (3 >> physicians and 3 beds). The possibility for the secretary to enter >> patients appointments. Same for the users (sometimes the physician >> will take an appointment sometimes it will be the secretary). > > There is one calender in OGo, appointments have participants and > access > permissions (actually a nicer model then multiple calendars once > you get > used to it). You should be able to accomplish what you want. So basically, what you see in the calendar depends on your permissions and the participants you are interested in seeing? Nice concept. So it means I can decide to see "all events for user A" or "all events for users A, B and C" > >> It must be possible to display the day with the appointments of the 3 >> physicians and maybe the 3 beds (ideally 6 columns). > > Not certain what you mean. Well, if I show in the same column (for today for exemple) the appointments for 3 users, they will obviously overlap making it a bit confused. It is nicer to have (for a given day) one column for user A, one column for user B, etc... > >> The physician must be able to find the next appointment scheduled for >> a patient and well as the previous appointment and optionnaly enter >> some comments. > > Appointments have notes. If the patients are entered into the > system as > contacts they can be tied to appointments, the contact view I think > shows the previous and upcoming 30(?) days. That's perfect! > >> Since the practice is small, confidentiality is not the first >> concern. >> In a second stage, I will need to be able to upload patient into the >> OpenGroupware database (or vice versa) from an invoicing program. >> Also, maybe store documents on a per contact (patient) basis. > > You can import delimited files. > >> 1) >> How long (easy) is it to setup an OpenGroupware server on MacOSX? >> (taking into account my profile) > > No idea, we are a SuSe shop. So, for Linux, how long to compile, setup the module, etc... just the time for compiling and seting some environment variables? This would imply that in half a day I am up and running? > >> 4) >> I am not certain I understood what process exist: is it a single >> process (unix process) handling everything or is it a kind of Apache >> module? > > The OGo daemon is accessed via an Apache module. So there is one OGo deamon (the equivalent of an WebObjects instance/ process) and one Apache module to redirect HTTP requests correctly. Correct? This means the OGo daemon handles user sessions in memory (as WebObjects). The OGo daemon then connects to PostgreSQL via its libraries. > >> 7) >> Considering my previous questions and context, which version should I >> start with? and how easy is it to upgrade? (for example if I start >> with version 1, and then want to benefit or contribute to items in >> 1.1, is it easy to upgrade)? Put differently, is it better in my >> situation to start with the lastest stable build for MacOSX or go for >> a previous final release? > > If you want roles for appointment particpants which are quite usefule > you need to use 1.1.x, otherwise you can use 1.0.x. Would you say the latest 1.1.x is stable enough for the small setup I need to accomodate? Anyhow, thanks a LOT for the fast response!! Alex From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Apr 17 16:10:05 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 11:10:05 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Is OpenGroupware the solution for me? In-Reply-To: <3629DC48-831F-4CAE-838C-BC3A10496FE2@mac.com> References: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> <3629DC48-831F-4CAE-838C-BC3A10496FE2@mac.com> Message-ID: <1145286605.7664.14.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> --=-d+oqPlnLQ5HdEGeIEYoZ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >> My first real need is therefore for a calendar for each user (3 > >> physicians and 3 beds). The possibility for the secretary to enter > >> patients appointments. Same for the users (sometimes the physician > >> will take an appointment sometimes it will be the secretary). > > There is one calender in OGo, appointments have participants and =20 > > access > > permissions (actually a nicer model then multiple calendars once =20 > > you get > > used to it). You should be able to accomplish what you want. > So basically, what you see in the calendar depends on your =20 > permissions and the participants you are interested in seeing? > Nice concept. Exactly. > So it means I can decide to see "all events for user A" or "all =20 > events for users A, B and C" Yes, you can even filter by user A, B, C, of event types X. > >> It must be possible to display the day with the appointments of the 3 > >> physicians and maybe the 3 beds (ideally 6 columns). > > Not certain what you mean. > Well, if I show in the same column (for today for exemple) the =20 > appointments for 3 users, they will obviously overlap making it a bit =20 > confused. It is nicer to have (for a given day) one column for user =20 > A, one column for user B, etc... I'm not certain such a view is available natively (although you could script one easy enough). > >> 1) > >> How long (easy) is it to setup an OpenGroupware server on MacOSX? > >> (taking into account my profile) > > No idea, we are a SuSe shop. > So, for Linux, how long to compile, setup the module, etc... just the =20 > time for compiling and seting some environment variables? This would =20 > imply that in half a day I am up and running? I've never compiled OGo, I install from the packages. From a clean box to a working OGo instance on SuSe 10 is about 10 minutes. > >> 4) > >> I am not certain I understood what process exist: is it a single > >> process (unix process) handling everything or is it a kind of Apache > >> module? > > The OGo daemon is accessed via an Apache module. > So there is one OGo deamon (the equivalent of an WebObjects instance/=20 > process) and one Apache module to redirect HTTP requests correctly. =20 > Correct? This means the OGo daemon handles user sessions in memory =20 > (as WebObjects). The OGo daemon then connects to PostgreSQL via its =20 > libraries. Pretty much, I'm not that familiar with WebObjects. But this seems correct from my experience. > >> 7) > >> Considering my previous questions and context, which version should I > >> start with? and how easy is it to upgrade? (for example if I start > >> with version 1, and then want to benefit or contribute to items in > >> 1.1, is it easy to upgrade)? Put differently, is it better in my > >> situation to start with the lastest stable build for MacOSX or go for > >> a previous final release? > > If you want roles for appointment particpants which are quite usefule > > you need to use 1.1.x, otherwise you can use 1.0.x. > Would you say the latest 1.1.x is stable enough for the small setup I =20 > need to accomodate? I use 1.1.x in production. --=-d+oqPlnLQ5HdEGeIEYoZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBEQ6/NLRePpNle04MRAmWAAJ9jlppLkRPovgPk1Uvi2/SFQfeEtACeJYrW fx8myOZgb/B61GsDuU65iz4= =Ibza -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-d+oqPlnLQ5HdEGeIEYoZ-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Apr 17 16:28:42 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 17:28:42 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Is OpenGroupware the solution for me? In-Reply-To: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> References: <1145283276.7664.8.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> Message-ID: On Apr 17, 2006, at 16:14, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >> 1) >> How long (easy) is it to setup an OpenGroupware server on MacOSX? >> (taking into account my profile) Few people _deploy_ OGo on OSX (some people including me use it for development). There is a specific list macosx@opengroupware.org which can help you with getting up and running (please read the archives prior posting). If you encounter no glitches it should be up and running in some 30 minutes. If you do, it might take significantly longer :-) As mentioned OSX is not a primary deployment platform and not nearly tested as well as the Linux packages. I would suggest to use a cheap PC to run OGo instead of wasting the precious OSX hardware on it ;-) (especially PPC hardware tends to be much slower for the given task than even the cheapest ix86 hardware) >> Some classes make me think of WebObjects. Does that mean I could >> customize some templates? Are there re-usable wo-components? Yes, all templates are just regular WOComponents though in the case of OGo the WOResourceManager is patched a lot (for theming and resource lookup in FHS locations). A lot of the components are reusable ones. We also use a lot of advanced WODynamicElements from SOPE for speed reasons (which cannot be easily changed w/o coding). > If you want roles for appointment particpants which are quite usefule > you need to use 1.1.x, otherwise you can use 1.0.x. For OSX I tend to recommend the latest alpha release available (like 1.1.3), or maybe even trunk. Issues *do* come up now and then and we definitely won't add OSX specific patches to OGo 1.0 (feature frozen). Greets, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org From discuss@opengroupware.org Wed Apr 19 07:35:06 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (David Maczkowiack) Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:05:06 +0930 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Microsoft Project Integration Message-ID: <001101c6637b$66afc3c0$6401a8c0@pc> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C663CB.06B3B7B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I would like to add a feature request for Microsoft Project integration = with Ogo's Project application Cheers David ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C663CB.06B3B7B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
I would like to add a feature request = for Microsoft=20 Project integration with Ogo's Project application
 
Cheers
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------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C663CB.06B3B7B0-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Apr 25 08:18:21 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chen) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 15:18:21 +0800 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] [Fwd: features] Message-ID: <444DCD3D.1010707@net-linx.com> Hi, I hope I've found the right groupware for the requirements I'm looking for : 1) our mail server is Communigate Pro (use IMAP only) and we are using it's LDAP feature and hence an LDAP server as well 2) our mail clients are diverse, ranging from Thunderbird, Mozilla and outlook. 3) we need to have and hopefully opengroupware operational among our far flung offices in Germany, USA, Sydney, Canada, etc. and we are all connected via vpn 4) we have citrix in some of our offices. 5) we have applications running Jboss, Tomcat and Java. 6) is oopengroupware complemetary to Acrive Directory? and has there been problems to work together? Appreaciate if someone could point out if opengroupware supports the above requirements. thanks, Chen From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Apr 25 15:24:34 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:24:34 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] [Fwd: features] In-Reply-To: <444DCD3D.1010707@net-linx.com> References: <444DCD3D.1010707@net-linx.com> Message-ID: <1145975074.6994.2.camel@aleph> --=-Iwq831Xq5gcRJSEUfcAu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > 1) our mail server is Communigate Pro (use IMAP only) and we are using=20 > it's LDAP feature and hence an LDAP server as well > 2) our mail clients are diverse, ranging from Thunderbird, Mozilla and=20 > outlook. This has little to do with OGo, OGo leaves mail up to existing IMAP/SMTP servers. > 3) we need to have and hopefully opengroupware operational among our far=20 > flung offices in Germany, USA, Sydney, Canada, etc. and we are all=20 > connected via vpn Of course you can use the WebUI from anywhere. > 4) we have citrix in some of our offices. This isn't relevant, OGo doesn't run on Windows (OGo requires a LINUX/BSD/... server). > 5) we have applications running Jboss, Tomcat and Java. OGo is not a Java application. > 6) is oopengroupware complemetary to Acrive Directory? and has there=20 > been problems to work together? OGo uses LDAP for use authentication; you can authenticate against AD. > Appreaciate if someone could point out if opengroupware supports the=20 > above requirements. --=-Iwq831Xq5gcRJSEUfcAu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBETjEiLRePpNle04MRAjDwAJ9bge1xhKnRzFQk94pMm9hVqsDddwCfZjcL fmJXhWcdydepB8a1HtdoYKU= =9BN1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-Iwq831Xq5gcRJSEUfcAu-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Apr 25 15:36:34 2006 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Brandon L. Newport) Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 10:36:34 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] [Fwd: features] In-Reply-To: <1145975074.6994.2.camel@aleph> References: <444DCD3D.1010707@net-linx.com> <1145975074.6994.2.camel@aleph> Message-ID: <1145975794.24567.35.camel@localhost.localdomain> Not to sound stupid what what functionality are you hoping to gain using OGo? Looking at Communigate Pro you already have email, calendaring, address book and several other features, in addition it looks to be fairly cross platoform with regards to clients. It also looked like it does multiple languages and probably has preferences for having each user in their own time zone....did not see it but it is not hard to do. So is there a particular feature/function you wish that it had that is currently does not? What benefits are you looking for over what you currently have? Thanks, -brandon On Tue, 2006-04-25 at 10:24 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > 1) our mail server is Communigate Pro (use IMAP only) and we are using > > it's LDAP feature and hence an LDAP server as well > > 2) our mail clients are diverse, ranging from Thunderbird, Mozilla and > > outlook. > > This has little to do with OGo, OGo leaves mail up to existing > IMAP/SMTP servers. > > > 3) we need to have and hopefully opengroupware operational among our far > > flung offices in Germany, USA, Sydney, Canada, etc. and we are all > > connected via vpn > > Of course you can use the WebUI from anywhere. > > > 4) we have citrix in some of our offices. > > This isn't relevant, OGo doesn't run on Windows (OGo requires a > LINUX/BSD/... server). > > > 5) we have applications running Jboss, Tomcat and Java. > > OGo is not a Java application. > > > 6) is oopengroupware complemetary to Acrive Directory? and has there > > been problems to work together? > > OGo uses LDAP for use authentication; you can authenticate against AD. > > > Appreaciate if someone could point out if opengroupware supports the > > above requirements.