From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 01:05:29 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 20:05:29 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] New website In-Reply-To: <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> > > >> Do you plan to make the website wiki-style later on? I could > > imagine > > >> that the install section would be kept (more) up-to-date this > > way. I was > > >> in the situation as well that I wanted to update some parts of the > > >> install section because it would have helped others. But I > > turned away > > >> because I couldn't do it. > > > All good questions, but over on the discuss list http:// > > mail.opengroupware.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss please. > > OK. I moved it over here. As a specific suggestion regarding the website perhaps the link on the right site of the web page pointing to my presentation could be changed to point to WMOGAG. That provides more, and more current, information that the presentation. http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/download From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 00:59:28 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 19:59:28 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Re: DHTML/XUL/AJAX In-Reply-To: <54953130-6CBD-4982-B7D0-AB40EA24E30C@opengroupware.org> References: <1168943997.5501.10.camel@murlix.awite> <45AEAF60.1090100@scinergy.com.br> <1050A3B0-4361-4C6F-8826-01E7081854E1@opengroupware.org> <200701210916.54845.chris123@magma.ca> <1169402279.4596.103.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> <54953130-6CBD-4982-B7D0-AB40EA24E30C@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1194483568.5756.11.camel@localhost> > On Jan 21, 2007, at 18:57, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > We aren't doing anything ridiculously fancy; mostly > > pop-up / pop-down menus, auto-complete fields, and live forms (where > > select boxed fill in based upon other entries in the form, etc...). > > This isn't radical stuff but it provides a *HUGE* improvement in > > usability. > I'm quite interested in reliable pop-up / pull-down menus. So if > thats opensource, it would be quite nice to have it someplace for > incorporation into SOPE/JOPE ;-) All our current AJAX / JavaScript stuff is now using MooTools. http://mootools.net/ Out web-guy says it is by far the easiest to use of the various toolsets he has tried. Our web development is using PHP but the bridge between MooTools and the environment is JSON. We really have no Javascript compatibility issues between FF & IE; just have to do CSS tweaks to get it working on both - but so far have been able to do everything without separate versions of CSS. Unfortunately AJAX-ness can't be pictured, but to give some idea... http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_0sb385m (calendar) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_2qshhfd (enterprise) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_4dpzjmz (contact) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_6dzn3rg (contact edit) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_8c225bq (search result) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_12gqn63p (calendar event view) http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=ddv5htgd_14zrg6zm (business data) The AJAX calendar demo can still be played with at http://www.mormail.com/calendar (will be taking that down soon). Our lone web developer was able to bang that together, and more that can't be seen, in a couple of months. From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 01:33:00 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 20:33:00 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] New website In-Reply-To: <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> On Wednesday 07 November 2007 08:05:29 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > As a specific suggestion regarding the website perhaps the link on the > right site of the web page pointing to my presentation could be changed > to point to WMOGAG. That provides more, and more current, information > that the presentation. > http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/download There will come a time when you may want to move content out of the zope/plone install in favor for another system and as I may not be around to help there are two ways that I am currently aware of to move data out of ZODB. One is via python code which is fast and efficient however I cannot code period. The second way is to have users or the admins move data out sequentially from the various user accounts, ie: data that is pertinant only. This can be achieved via webdav. Ref: webdav: http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/webdav Ref: ZODB: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2005-June/325972.html http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/zope/db/206537?do=post_view_threaded#206537 The latter methods will require work that is beyond my scope. Best regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 02:59:59 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:59:59 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] New website In-Reply-To: <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1194490799.17110.2.camel@localhost> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 22:58 +0200, Helge Hess wrote: > On 18.10.2007, at 22:01, Raffael Luthiger wrote: > > Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > >> Do you plan to make the website wiki-style later on? I could > > imagine > > >> that the install section would be kept (more) up-to-date this > > way. I was > > >> in the situation as well that I wanted to update some parts of the > > >> install section because it would have helped others. But I > > turned away > > >> because I couldn't do it. > > > All good questions, but over on the discuss list http:// > > mail.opengroupware.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss please. > > OK. I moved it over here. The "Cyrus IMAP Server Installation FAQ", "Hosting email for virtual domains using Postfix and Cyrus", and "Configuring the IMAP Server" links @ http://www.opengroupware.org/en/related/cyrus/index.html are also broken. From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 03:19:45 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2007 22:19:45 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> > > As a specific suggestion regarding the website perhaps the link on the > > right site of the web page pointing to my presentation could be changed > > to point to WMOGAG. That provides more, and more current, information > > that the presentation. > > http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/download > There will come a time when you may want to move content out of the zope/plone > install in favor for another system and as I may not be around to help there > are two ways that I am currently aware of to move data out of ZODB. One is > via python code which is fast and efficient however I cannot code period. The > second way is to have users or the admins move data out sequentially from the > various user accounts, ie: data that is pertinant only. This can be achieved > via webdav. One question I have is if there is any way to query the plone for accounts that have no content; there are lots of accounts, created for some reason, with nothing but a blank home page. That would clean things up allot as most accounts seem to have no content. From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 04:52:25 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 23:52:25 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200711072352.25859.chris123@magma.ca> On Wednesday 07 November 2007 10:19:45 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > One question I have is if there is any way to query the plone for > accounts that have no content; there are lots of accounts, created for > some reason, with nothing but a blank home page. That would clean > things up allot as most accounts seem to have no content. Admins have access to a script that lists all members. Currently there are 3435 accounts in the system which clearly needs some gardening. The existing script does not provide a variable for the size of the account. If it could be rewritten to test for a known value, then a secondary function could programatically delete the account. Such a script is beyond me to write however. If you need more information contact me off list pls. Sorry, /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 14:51:02 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 15:51:02 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On 08.11.2007, at 04:19, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > One question I have is if there is any way to query the plone for > accounts that have no content; there are lots of accounts, created > for > some reason, with nothing but a blank home page. That would clean > things up allot as most accounts seem to have no content. You could for sure write a Python script which walks the ZODB hierarchy and eliminates the superflous folders. (but I can't create this in 5min either ...) But actually I don't think thats necessary, empty accounts do not really hurt after all and the creators of the account might 'associate' with OGo a bit through them. Anyways ... Thanks, Helge -- Helge Hess http://www.helgehess.eu/ From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 15:30:17 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Bart Schouten) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:30:17 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <5AB0FC5C-B5D9-4375-9D0F-75F1E59185A1@opengroupware.org> <1194483929.5756.14.camel@localhost> <200711072033.00609.chris123@magma.ca> <1194491985.17110.7.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> Helge Hess schreef: > But actually I don't think thats necessary, empty accounts do not > really hurt after all and the creators of the account might > 'associate' with OGo a bit through them. Indeed, just like I am still subscribed to this mailinglist not because I have anything to do with OGo but just because I find it interesting to see the proceedings of a project like this ;). (okay and because I think OGo is an interesting application/project). From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 16:06:50 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 11:06:50 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> Message-ID: <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> On Thursday 08 November 2007 10:30:17 am Bart Schouten wrote: > Indeed, just like I am still subscribed to this mailinglist not because > I have anything to do with OGo but just because I find it interesting to > see the proceedings of a project like this ;). (okay and because I think > OGo is an interesting application/project). Just a thought on this. Following the project on the lists, is not a function of the docs site. If a user has an account on the docs site and its not being used, then obviousely there is no contribution from that account. Users can still make valueable contributions via the various lists or monitor the projects progress via the same lists as its a separate registration process. The accounts on docs were established so that people with interest could upload documentation. Comments, etc all go to or via the lists. So a reduction of some 1/3 of the accounts would greatly increase the performance of the system as well as reduce the need to prune all the spam that others seem to be doing nicely now and reduce the workload on the admins. My personal comments follow. To make this project pop or standout in NA at least, a couple of things are required. The technology is great but the presentation of the same is lacking. A nice clean modern home site would be a great asset. Secondly a controlled access demo server would do wonders. and thirdly a more modern default skin as we discussed about a year and half ago would go a long way to make the project more visable in NA. Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if the later is possible however. Just my 2 cents CDN. Regards and best always /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 17:18:25 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:18:25 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] Message-ID: <20071108171826.5C7CF4004D@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> Hi, discuss@opengroupware.org wrote: > On Thursday 08 November 2007 10:30:17 am Bart Schouten wrote: > > > Indeed, just like I am still subscribed to this mailinglist not because > > I have anything to do with OGo but just because I find it interesting to > > see the proceedings of a project like this ;). (okay and because I think > > OGo is an interesting application/project). > > Just a thought on this. Following the project on the lists, is not a function > of the docs site. If a user has an account on the docs site and its not being > used, then obviousely there is no contribution from that account. Users can > still make valueable contributions via the various lists or monitor the > projects progress via the same lists as its a separate registration process. > > The accounts on docs were established so that people with interest could > upload documentation. Comments, etc all go to or via the lists. So a > reduction of some 1/3 of the accounts would greatly increase the performance > of the system as well as reduce the need to prune all the spam that others > seem to be doing nicely now and reduce the workload on the admins. > > My personal comments follow. To make this project pop or standout in NA at > least, a couple of things are required. The technology is great but the > presentation of the same is lacking. A nice clean modern home site would be a > great asset. Secondly a controlled access demo server would do wonders. and > thirdly a more modern default skin as we discussed about a year and half ago > would go a long way to make the project more visable in NA. Finally a simple > install system that is standardized to the degree possible to eliminate most > of the distro variables. Not known if the later is possible however. > I just only can acknowledge all above. Sebastian From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 20:45:33 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 21:45:33 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: On 08.11.2007, at 17:06, Chris H wrote: > So a reduction of some 1/3 of the accounts would greatly increase > the performance of the system as well as reduce the need to prune > all the spam that others seem to be doing nicely now and reduce the > workload on the admins. Thats just an issue of Plone (well, more specifically with the default setup of Plone). Once we replace it, any other system can deal with just 3000 users just fine ... > My personal comments follow. To make this project pop or standout > in NA at > least, a couple of things are required. The technology is great but > the > presentation of the same is lacking. A nice clean modern home site > would be a great asset. I think everyone agrees on that, in fact I have started to change the SOGo and SOPE sites, and I might manage OGo this year (though its the biggest site overall). http://sogo.opengroupware.org/ http://sope.opengroupware.org/ IMHO the Styleshout designs are reasonably modern. > Secondly a controlled access demo server would do wonders. and > thirdly a more modern default skin as we discussed about a year and > half ago would go a long way to make the project more visable in NA. Well, talking about it doesn't make it happen ;-) Problem is that creating an OGo theme requires quite a bit of knowledge of the template setup. > Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree > possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if > the later is possible however. I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup one? ;-) Greets, Helge From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 22:03:02 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:03:02 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1194559382.5928.11.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> --=-y5AS9LHuRevsWhtSYP2t Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Indeed, just like I am still subscribed to this mailinglist not because > > I have anything to do with OGo but just because I find it interesting t= o > > see the proceedings of a project like this ;). (okay and because I thin= k > > OGo is an interesting application/project). > Just a thought on this. Following the project on the lists, is not a func= tion=20 > of the docs site. If a user has an account on the docs site and its not b= eing=20 > used, then obviousely there is no contribution from that account. Users c= an=20 > still make valueable contributions via the various lists or monitor the=20 > projects progress via the same lists as its a separate registration proce= ss.=20 > The accounts on docs were established so that people with interest could=20 > upload documentation. Comments, etc all go to or via the lists. So a=20 > reduction of some 1/3 of the accounts would greatly increase the performa= nce=20 > of the system as well as reduce the need to prune all the spam that other= s=20 > seem to be doing nicely now and reduce the workload on the admins.=20 Yep, pretty much my thinking. But if it isn't easy... > Finally a simple=20 > install system that is standardized to the degree possible to eliminate m= ost=20 > of the distro variables. Not known if the later is possible however.=20 Other than the start/stop scripts and the evil things Debian does to PostgreSQL (installing two versions side-by-side, etc...) I don't think there is much in the way of "distro variables". Once one is beyond compiling I believe WMOGAG contains all the information required to setup OGo, although some points could be elaborated a bit more. Most of the frustration I see on the list is in regards to people insisting on using installation repositories. Since ours aren't well tested or maintained my recommendation is to take them down; just provide tar balls of releases and nightlies. I'll work on compilation instructions (for trunk). --=-y5AS9LHuRevsWhtSYP2t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHM4eWLRePpNle04MRAtvnAJ9SvpfyLBT6Sek2UtlZnpZ8xiLHsACfeig+ t4MazahteNz2YOZI01KnBtw= =k9I6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-y5AS9LHuRevsWhtSYP2t-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 22:09:11 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:09:11 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> --=-3KbAnaUjfOCsWc9dmyL1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > My personal comments follow. To make this project pop or standout =20 > > in NA at > > least, a couple of things are required. The technology is great but =20 > > the > > presentation of the same is lacking. A nice clean modern home site =20 > > would be a great asset. > I think everyone agrees on that, in fact I have started to change the =20 > SOGo and SOPE sites, and I might manage OGo this year (though its the =20 > biggest site overall). > http://sogo.opengroupware.org/ > http://sope.opengroupware.org/ > IMHO the Styleshout designs are reasonably modern. Yes, I like the look of the other sites. BTW, how often does the sire rebuild from SVN? I committed some updates to the POGI page, but haven't seen anything yet. > > Secondly a controlled access demo server would do wonders. and > > thirdly a more modern default skin as we discussed about a year and =20 > > half ago would go a long way to make the project more visable in NA. > Well, talking about it doesn't make it happen ;-) Problem is that =20 > creating an OGo theme requires quite a bit of knowledge of the =20 > template setup. Well, there are the fairly recent ones at http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/lelarges/New_Theme_for_ogo_1.1/view Perhaps someone could just replace the suspect images. Unfortunately I have the graphics design skills of a carpet stain. > > Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree =20 > > possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if =20 > > the later is possible however. > I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player =20 > is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would =20 > be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup =20 > one? ;-) Sure. I've already got OGo in lots of VMs anyway, why not one more. :) --=-3KbAnaUjfOCsWc9dmyL1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHM4kHLRePpNle04MRAu27AJ9dT1N7uHREK5NH6cYtOPvvuE3HjwCfdqrG u1e34BZzpoEPOmrWA86IIXI= =glEv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-3KbAnaUjfOCsWc9dmyL1-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Thu Nov 8 22:53:43 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2007 23:53:43 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> Message-ID: On 08.11.2007, at 23:09, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > BTW, how often does the sire rebuild from SVN? Currently this is done manually. > Well, there are the fairly recent ones at > http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/lelarges/ > New_Theme_for_ogo_1.1/view > Perhaps someone could just replace the suspect images. > Unfortunately I > have the graphics design skills of a carpet stain. "someone" ... ;-) >>> Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree >>> possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if >>> the later is possible however. >> I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player >> is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would >> be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup >> one? ;-) > Sure. I've already got OGo in lots of VMs anyway, why not one > more. :) Greets, Helge -- Helge Hess http://www.helgehess.eu/ From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 04:59:35 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:59:35 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> Message-ID: <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> > > BTW, how often does the sire rebuild from SVN? > Currently this is done manually. > > Well, there are the fairly recent ones at > > http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/lelarges/ > > New_Theme_for_ogo_1.1/view > > Perhaps someone could just replace the suspect images. > > Unfortunately I > > have the graphics design skills of a carpet stain. > "someone" ... ;-) Or noone. :) Just a suggestion to anyone reading who has skills and is so inclined. There isn't a reason someone has to make a new theme from scratch; which would rightfully seem very daunting. > >>> Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree > >>> possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if > >>> the later is possible however. > >> I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player > >> is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would > >> be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup > >> one? ;-) > > Sure. I've already got OGo in lots of VMs anyway, why not one > > more. :) Ok, I've got the demo of InstantOGo ASE installed in VMware. Where can I stick this rather largish file? I've never played with InstantOGo before; very nice theme for the installer. But (1) keeping basically the default postgresql.conf file seems unreasonable. Since the contacts and enterprises applications especially cause lots of sequential scans [substring searches don't use indexes] anyone with a reasonable amount of data is going to have pretty miserable performance as the tables will basically roll through the buffer pool, defeating the point of the buffer pool. (2) isn't the timezone in postgresql.con supposed to be set to GMT? From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 06:29:44 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:29:44 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] Message-ID: <20071109062944.B734C40220@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> Hi, > > Other than the start/stop scripts and the evil things Debian does to > PostgreSQL (installing two versions side-by-side, etc...) I don't think > there is much in the way of "distro variables". Once one is beyond > compiling I believe WMOGAG contains all the information required to > setup OGo, although some points could be elaborated a bit more. Most > of the frustration I see on the list is in regards to people insisting > on using installation repositories. Since ours aren't well tested or > maintained my recommendation is to take them down; just provide tar > balls of releases and nightlies. Or well tested ports or packages. To get any reasonable attention on OpenBSD, there has to be a port for a software. (Un)fortunately I have to make OGo gnustep-base compatible, as this is in ports, and I failed several times, to use -base and libFoundation together in a parallel installation. I've just seen, Adam Fedor announced new versions of -make and -base, where they did sth. to the key value coding, which was one of the problems I ran into trying to port OGo. I'll see on the weekend whether it will work better or not. Nevertheless, that's a completely different story. > > I'll work on compilation instructions (for trunk). > Sebastian From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 06:35:42 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:35:42 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] Message-ID: <20071109063542.84B464038A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> Hi, > > > > Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree > > > possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if > > > the later is possible however. > > I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player > > is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would > > be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup > > one? ;-) > > Sure. I've already got OGo in lots of VMs anyway, why not one more. :) > I am playing with Xen for some time now, I could create a suse based Xen image. well, not in the next one or two weeks, I just need to find some time. Sebastian From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 10:46:26 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Raffael Luthiger) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 11:46:26 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Or noone. :) Just a suggestion to anyone reading who has skills and is > so inclined. There isn't a reason someone has to make a new theme from > scratch; which would rightfully seem very daunting. I am interested in making a new theme. But I couldn't find a good tutorial about where to start. My idea is to create a fully xhtml/css based theme without any (or almost no) images. I have seen that most of the design is currently done with tables and images. Are there any good resources about where to start? From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 11:03:14 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Frank Reppin) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 12:03:14 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <47343E72.4000200@opengroupware.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Adam, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: [...] > Ok, I've got the demo of InstantOGo ASE installed in VMware. Where can > I stick this rather largish file? Would you please upload this file into your account @developer.opengroupware.org?! I'd pick it up from there later and place it somewhere for public access. Thankyou! frank\ - -- 43rd Law of Computing: Anything that can go wr fortune: Segmentation violation -- Core dumped -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHND5y9Atrv5KxwOwRAmHkAJ41c3HAfOtTWxWt7ZR8uqxYBJhi3wCfc/6U YfZFQW9X94ih+RlIFtEtxLg= =oyc5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 11:28:39 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Olivier Hallot) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:28:39 -0200 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> Message-ID: <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090202010706010901010002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is some documentation scattered in the doc plone. http://docs.opengoupware.org A search for "theme" will return a tutorial and some interesting samples. Olivier Raffael Luthiger escreveu: > Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >> Or noone. :) Just a suggestion to anyone reading who has skills and is >> so inclined. There isn't a reason someone has to make a new theme from >> scratch; which would rightfully seem very daunting. > > I am interested in making a new theme. But I couldn't find a good > tutorial about where to start. My idea is to create a fully xhtml/css > based theme without any (or almost no) images. I have seen that most of > the design is currently done with tables and images. > > Are there any good resources about where to start? -- Olivier Hallot Scinergy Consulting Tel (021) 2224-3224, (021) 8822-8812 Rio de Janeiro, Brasil http://www.scinergy.com.br OpenOffice.org L10N project leader for Brazil --------------090202010706010901010002 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=utf-8; name="ohallot.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="ohallot.vcf" YmVnaW46dmNhcmQNCmZuOk9saXZpZXIgSGFsbG90DQpuOkhhbGxvdDtPbGl2aWVyDQpvcmc6 U2NpbmVyZ3kgQ29uc3VsdGluZyBMdGRhDQphZHI6U0wuIDExMDI7O0F2LiBSaW8gQlJhbmNv IDEyNDtSaW8gZGUgSmFuZWlybztSSjsyMDA0MC0wMDE7QnJhc2lsDQplbWFpbDtpbnRlcm5l dDpvaGFsbG90QHNjaW5lcmd5LmNvbS5icg0KdGl0bGU6RGlyZXRvcg0KdGVsO3dvcms6KzU1 LTIxLTIyMjQtMzIyNA0KdGVsO2ZheDorNTUtMjEtMjIyNC0zMjI0DQp1cmw6aHR0cDovL3d3 dy5zY2luZXJneS5jb20uYnINCnZlcnNpb246Mi4xDQplbmQ6dmNhcmQNCg0K --------------090202010706010901010002-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 12:15:18 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:15:18 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> Message-ID: <1194610518.4573.17.camel@localhost> > There is some documentation scattered in the doc plone. > http://docs.opengoupware.org > A search for "theme" will return a tutorial and some interesting samples. > Olivier Most notably - http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/thomas/themes/index_html/view - which is the most complete document on themes that I'm aware of. From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 12:15:50 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:15:50 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47343E72.4000200@opengroupware.org> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343E72.4000200@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1194610550.4573.18.camel@localhost> > [...] > > Ok, I've got the demo of InstantOGo ASE installed in VMware. Where can > > I stick this rather largish file? > Would you please upload this file into your account > @developer.opengroupware.org?! Can do, when I get back to my big pipe. > I'd pick it up from there later and place it somewhere > for public access. From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 12:14:45 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Raffael Luthiger) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 13:14:45 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> Message-ID: <47344F35.1020009@huanga.com> Olivier Hallot wrote: > There is some documentation scattered in the doc plone. > http://docs.opengoupware.org > A search for "theme" will return a tutorial and some interesting samples. You mean the tutorial which gives me the following error message when I want to open it: Site Error An error was encountered while publishing this resource. Debugging Notice Zope has encountered a problem publishing your object. Cannot locate object at: http://docs.opengroupware.org/save/t1 I searched for theme and wanted to open the 4th link with the title "OGo themes tutorial [33%] by chris, 2003-09-29 10:33 AM". (I know that the 5th link will give the correct file. But why does the 4th link appear at all in the search results. I get that message pretty often and that's why I stopped looking at plone) Raffael From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 12:19:03 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:19:03 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1194610743.4573.23.camel@localhost> > > >>> Finally a simple install system that is standardized to the degree > > >>> possible to eliminate most of the distro variables. Not known if > > >>> the later is possible however. > > >> I think installing the free Instant-OGo demo inside a VMware player > > >> is quite reasonable [to avoid the distro variables]. Though it would > > >> be useful to provide a VMware image directly (anyone cares to setup > > >> one? ;-) > > > Sure. I've already got OGo in lots of VMs anyway, why not one > > > more. :) > Ok, I've got the demo of InstantOGo ASE installed in VMware. Where can > I stick this rather largish file? > I've never played with InstantOGo before; very nice theme for the > installer. > But > (1) keeping basically the default postgresql.conf file seems > unreasonable. Since the contacts and enterprises applications > especially cause lots of sequential scans [substring searches don't use > indexes] anyone with a reasonable amount of data is going to have pretty > miserable performance as the tables will basically roll through the > buffer pool, defeating the point of the buffer pool. > (2) isn't the timezone in postgresql.con supposed to be set to GMT? There isn't a compiler installed, so vmware-tools won't install. I'll try to install the required tools to get vmware-tools installed, and then uninstall them. From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 12:21:56 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 07:21:56 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47344F35.1020009@huanga.com> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343A82.8000607@huanga.com> <47344467.9060705@scinergy.com.br> <47344F35.1020009@huanga.com> Message-ID: <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> > > There is some documentation scattered in the doc plone. > > http://docs.opengoupware.org > > A search for "theme" will return a tutorial and some interesting samples. > You mean the tutorial which gives me the following error message when I > want to open it: > Site Error > An error was encountered while publishing this resource. > Debugging Notice > Zope has encountered a problem publishing your object. > Cannot locate object at: http://docs.opengroupware.org/save/t1 That is just the joys of the docs plone. :) That happens allot. The document is probably available in the next URL in the search results; that is why I posted the best URL in my other message. > (I know that the 5th link will give the correct file. But why does the > 4th link appear at all in the search results. I get that message pretty > often and that's why I stopped looking at plone) Plone is a cranky beast. From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 13:13:11 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:13:11 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47344F35.1020009@huanga.com> <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200711090813.11687.chris123@magma.ca> On Friday 09 November 2007 07:21:56 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: Just on an historical note the current index has been running since 2003-11-24 04:26 and has survived two crashes and recoveries and three grades. It does need some updating..:) Regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 13:05:12 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:05:12 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47344F35.1020009@huanga.com> <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <200711090805.12544.chris123@magma.ca> On Friday 09 November 2007 07:21:56 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > (I know that the 5th link will give the correct file. But why does the > > 4th link appear at all in the search results. I get that message pretty > > often and that's why I stopped looking at plone) > > Plone is a cranky beast. No its the admin who is lacking in talent..:) I will try an re-index the site this weekend to get rid of all the dead links _but_ I need confirmation from Skyrix of a recent backup. Last I remember backups were run nightly and automatically. If someone (Frank?) can confirm this is the case I will try to get rid of the dead links over the weekend. The links to save/t1 were the result of a recovery exercise and migration due to a system crash at a very early release of zope/plone which has undergone three update migrations. Frank could you also mail me _off list pls_ the port that you have set the server to as its not standard and I would need access to the zope root via the web interface. Thanks in advance. regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 13:49:00 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:49:00 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <200711090813.11687.chris123@magma.ca> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> <200711090813.11687.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <200711090849.00155.chris123@magma.ca> On Friday 09 November 2007 08:13:11 am Chris H wrote: > On Friday 09 November 2007 07:21:56 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > > Just on an historical note the current index has been running since > 2003-11-24 04:26 and has survived two crashes and recoveries and three > grades. It does need some updating..:) > > Regards > > /ch OK I just ran the update on the catalogue and it removed 90 percent of the dead links. The remaining dead links I will remove by hand as well as some of the residual spam accounts. A note to users, when you search for a subject the content you get back is a list of links. Links that are indented are dead. Just a heads up. Off to work regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 14:35:52 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:35:52 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <200711090849.00155.chris123@magma.ca> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <1194610916.4573.26.camel@localhost> <200711090813.11687.chris123@magma.ca> <200711090849.00155.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1194618952.5536.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> --=-eIpDGRRFcA5ObprJ/e07 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Just on an historical note the current index has been running since > > 2003-11-24 04:26 and has survived two crashes and recoveries and three > > grades. It does need some updating..:) > OK I just ran the update on the catalogue and it removed 90 percent of th= e=20 > dead links. The remaining dead links I will remove by hand as well as som= e of=20 > the residual spam accounts.=20 > A note to users, when you search for a subject the content you get back i= s a=20 > list of links. Links that are indented are dead. Just a heads up.=20 Ahh. So *that* is what that means! --=-eIpDGRRFcA5ObprJ/e07 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHNHBILRePpNle04MRAoqDAJ9I858790zM0d5efIMvRgFnHwu0sgCeLfWE HmNr40wRNVufNWyAgw6Wc64= =oz7X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-eIpDGRRFcA5ObprJ/e07-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Fri Nov 9 22:09:17 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 17:09:17 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <1194618952.5536.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <200711090849.00155.chris123@magma.ca> <1194618952.5536.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200711091709.17807.chris123@magma.ca> On Friday 09 November 2007 09:35:52 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > Ahh. So *that* is what that means! Should be alright now. If you notice anymore dead links let me know. If you need an instruction on how to do this (as well as others with admin status) ping me off line and I will walk you through it. A second question. Is there a desire or need to investigate how to migrate the data to say mysql. I plan on being available only till 1 April 2008 so if there is a demand to migrate off plone and my help is needed or wanted do let me know as early as possible. Best regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Sun Nov 11 15:07:02 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 16:07:02 +0100 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Re: DHTML/XUL/AJAX In-Reply-To: <1194483568.5756.11.camel@localhost> References: <1168943997.5501.10.camel@murlix.awite> <45AEAF60.1090100@scinergy.com.br> <1050A3B0-4361-4C6F-8826-01E7081854E1@opengroupware.org> <200701210916.54845.chris123@magma.ca> <1169402279.4596.103.camel@aleph.whitemice.org> <54953130-6CBD-4982-B7D0-AB40EA24E30C@opengroupware.org> <1194483568.5756.11.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <60EEC17B-64A2-4DC1-B6F3-F1D934572B54@opengroupware.org> On 08.11.2007, at 01:59, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: >> I'm quite interested in reliable pop-up / pull-down menus. So if >> thats opensource, it would be quite nice to have it someplace for >> incorporation into SOPE/JOPE ;-) > All our current AJAX / JavaScript stuff is now using MooTools. BTW: I've written my own menu a few months ago ;-) Personally I've only used Prototype so far. Greets, Helge -- Helge Hess http://www.helgehess.eu/ From discuss@opengroupware.org Mon Nov 12 17:28:31 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 12:28:31 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] CMS Question [Was: New Website] In-Reply-To: <47343E72.4000200@opengroupware.org> References: <4717BB96.40502@huanga.com> <47332B89.9040709@bart.ahum.nl> <200711081106.50416.chris123@magma.ca> <1194559751.5928.15.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <1194584375.4573.11.camel@localhost> <47343E72.4000200@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1194888511.4718.13.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> --=-LBMCyoQXijHAHWV1C1Hd Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Ok, I've got the demo of InstantOGo ASE installed in VMware. Where can > > I stick this rather largish file? > Would you please upload this file into your account > @developer.opengroupware.org?! > I'd pick it up from there later and place it somewhere > for public access. I've uploaded the file InstantOGoASEDemo.tar.bz2 to my developer account. Didn't get vmware-tools to install since the CentOS kernel build environment is too bizarre. I'll upload an update if I can figure out a way to get that too work. --=-LBMCyoQXijHAHWV1C1Hd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHOI0/LRePpNle04MRAuWXAJ9tNuluSl01mGkO9e7NbtKVRs8RvwCfYwBT WUWTivRFNUAISMxPovjaPhk= =XpVC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-LBMCyoQXijHAHWV1C1Hd-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Nov 27 14:47:33 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:47:33 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Mail Settings Message-ID: <200711270947.33662.chris123@magma.ca> Greets: Ive stumbled across a problem with OGo wrt to mail and was wondering if there is a work a round. I have always been able to tie OGo's mail functionality to my ISP which runs a Cyrus IMAP server, so there was no need to run a local mail server when using OGo for personal use. This scenario has changed and I now need to authenticate with the mail server. While this is not an issue for popping mail, it is an issue with sending mail as I need to connect and authenticate on a non standard port 587. So I was wondering at the code level is there a possibility to change to a non standard port and if so, where do I start looking in the code base. Regards /ch From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Nov 27 16:48:28 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:48:28 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Mail Settings In-Reply-To: <200711270947.33662.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200711270947.33662.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <1196182108.7565.7.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> --=-KP/zEukXho0H6o7vkwtg Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I have always been able to tie OGo's mail functionality to my ISP which r= uns a=20 > Cyrus IMAP server, so there was no need to run a local mail server when u= sing=20 > OGo for personal use. This scenario has changed and I now need to=20 > authenticate with the mail server. While this is not an issue for popping= =20 > mail, it is an issue with sending mail as I need to connect and authentic= ate=20 > on a non standard port 587.=20 OGo doesn't really "send" mail, it passes it off to the local MTA for delivery. You should be able to configure the MTA to authenticate to your upstream MTA via your distro's config tool (YaST?) --=-KP/zEukXho0H6o7vkwtg Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBHTEpcLRePpNle04MRApo1AJ48QqfGVHtJZU/oU1tSSjaxSX85fQCfTFTd eArUWk8NBkXjxoyJj+KLgQY= =alw5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-KP/zEukXho0H6o7vkwtg-- From discuss@opengroupware.org Tue Nov 27 17:47:09 2007 From: discuss@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:47:09 -0500 Subject: [OGo-Discuss] Mail Settings In-Reply-To: <1196182108.7565.7.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> References: <200711270947.33662.chris123@magma.ca> <1196182108.7565.7.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> Message-ID: <200711271247.10892.chris123@magma.ca> On Tuesday 27 November 2007 11:48:28 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote: > OGo doesn't really "send" mail, it passes it off to the local MTA for > delivery. You should be able to configure the MTA to authenticate to > your upstream MTA via your distro's config tool (YaST?) Thanks. I completely forgot about that. See what a little absence does. /ch