From bjoern@opengroupware.org Mon Jul 14 11:59:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A5F18F648 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:59:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21621-02 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D74F118F647 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 11:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from grobi.in.skyrix.com (gw.skyrix.com [213.211.192.97]) by imap.mdlink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2B4C7A7A6 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:08:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from opengroupware.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grobi.in.skyrix.com (Postfix on Debian GNU/Linux) with ESMTP id A71127B5B9 for ; Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:09:28 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <3F128158.8000805@opengroupware.org> Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2003 12:09:28 +0200 From: Bjoern Stierand Organization: OpenGroupware.org (www.opengroupware.org) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.5a) Gecko/20030708 Thunderbird/0.1a X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [Documentation] Administrativa Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please ignore this message Bjoern -- http://www.opengroupware.org From gyoo@comcast.net Wed Jul 16 03:47:16 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25E3918F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:47:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25222-01 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net (sccrmhc13.comcast.net [204.127.202.64]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F99618F4F3 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 03:47:15 +0200 (CEST) Received: from comcast.net (c-24-130-151-254.we.client2.attbi.com[24.130.151.254](untrusted sender)) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20030716015141016000vjk2e> (Authid: gyoo); Wed, 16 Jul 2003 01:51:42 +0000 Message-ID: <3F14AFAD.3060908@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 18:51:41 -0700 From: Gene Yoo User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] documentation assistance Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I would like to assist in documentation or try my best to assist. What can I do? Gene From dennis@pruts.nl Wed Jul 16 09:50:10 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E89AC18F64C for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19510-10 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from metal.pruts.nl (pruts.nl [212.204.192.151]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A4718F668 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:50:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by metal.pruts.nl (Postfix, from userid 1012) id C94B6273A6; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:54:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by metal.pruts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8558272AB for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:54:40 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:54:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Dennis Leeuw To: documentation@opengroupware.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Introduction Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I just subscribed to this list, so let me introduce myself. I am Dennis Leeuw, living in the Netherlands so no native English speaker, but I have written all my documentation in English. If you like to see what I have done: http://ckp.made-it.com/ http://gnustep.made-it.com/ Are the most important documents. The list archives are empty, so are there more people subscribed then just me? And are there some ideas about how to setup the documentation? Style? format? Greetings, Dennis Leeuw From kaleksic@mac.com Wed Jul 16 18:48:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E65018F636 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:48:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15626-06 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtpout.mac.com (smtpout.mac.com [17.250.248.85]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B7DC18F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 18:48:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mac.com (smtpin08-en2 [10.13.10.153]) by smtpout.mac.com (Xserve/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h6GGrVqS006522 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:53:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (109stb12.codetel.net.do [64.32.82.109]) (authenticated bits=0) by mac.com (Xserve/8.12.9/MantshX 2.0) with ESMTP id h6GGrSNr028298 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 09:53:30 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/10.1.1.2418 Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 12:53:26 -0400 From: Kay Aleksic To: Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3141204807_8217524" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Ce message est au format MIME. Comme votre programme de lecture de courriers ne comprend pas ce format, il se peut que tout ou une partie de ce message soit illisible. --B_3141204807_8217524 Content-type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi everybody, My name is Kay and I volunteered for doing the documentation project management. From what I saw, there are 2 more people who posted their interest to help, if there is anybody else lurking, please step forward and let us know what you can do. It might be a good idea to start with and concentrate on documentation in English as this can easily be translated to other languages when the software is localized. A few words to my background, I work on Unix/MacOSX and come from pre-press/publishing. My experience includes translation project management= , system/network administration and a few things more. I=B9m fluent in German, English, French and have some knowledge of Spanish. Please let me know what each of you can do (wants to do) so we can get this started. Kay -- kaleksic@mac.com ICQ# 82337374 --B_3141204807_8217524 Content-type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hello Documentation Team Hi everybody,

My name is Kay and I volunteered for doing the documentation project manage= ment.

From what I saw, there are 2 more people who posted their interest to help,= if there is anybody else lurking, please step forward and let us know what = you can do.

It might be a good idea to start with and concentrate on documentation in E= nglish as this can easily be translated to other languages when the software= is localized.

A few words to my background, I work on Unix/MacOSX and come from pre-press= /publishing. My experience includes translation project management, system/n= etwork administration and a few things more. I’m fluent in German, Eng= lish, French and have some knowledge of Spanish.

Please let me know what each of you can do (wants to do) so we can get this= started.

Kay
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 --B_3141204807_8217524-- From Gene.Yoo@calbar.ca.gov Wed Jul 16 19:13:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE3B518F636 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23856-06 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:13:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from lamail01.calsb.org (unknown [64.163.172.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E10118F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:13:23 +0200 (CEST) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6249.0 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C34BBE.376083D3" Subject: RE: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 10:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Thread-Index: AcNLutOJgPWuYYG6TkeKsz/p61iH0AAAgQRw From: "Yoo, Gene" To: X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34BBE.376083D3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Everyone/Kay, =20 I would like to volunteer. No lurker here, just want to help. I could only write in english but can understand Korean (in verbal form). My background deals with network/system architecture design, etc... We don't have to do a bio on this stuff do we? I'm also interested in showing this system in open consortium to get more recognition. I'm in US, California. =20 Gene -----Original Message----- From: Kay Aleksic [mailto:kaleksic@mac.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 9:53 AM To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team =09 =09 Hi everybody, =09 My name is Kay and I volunteered for doing the documentation project management. =09 From what I saw, there are 2 more people who posted their interest to help, if there is anybody else lurking, please step forward and let us know what you can do. =09 It might be a good idea to start with and concentrate on documentation in English as this can easily be translated to other languages when the software is localized. =09 A few words to my background, I work on Unix/MacOSX and come from pre-press/publishing. My experience includes translation project management, system/network administration and a few things more. I'm fluent in German, English, French and have some knowledge of Spanish. =09 Please let me know what each of you can do (wants to do) so we can get this started. =09 Kay -- kaleksic@mac.com ICQ# 82337374 =09 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34BBE.376083D3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message
Hi=20 Everyone/Kay,
 
I=20 would like to volunteer.  No lurker here, just want to help.  = I could=20 only write in english but can understand Korean (in verbal form).  = My=20 background deals with network/system architecture design, etc...  = We don't=20 have to do a bio on this stuff do we?  I'm also interested in = showing this=20 system in open consortium to get more recognition.  I'm in US,=20 California.
 
Gene
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From: Kay = Aleksic=20 [mailto:kaleksic@mac.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 = 9:53=20 AM
To: documentation@opengroupware.org
Subject:=20 [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team

Hi everybody,

My name is Kay and I = volunteered for=20 doing the documentation project management.

From what I saw, = there are=20 2 more people who posted their interest to help, if there is anybody = else=20 lurking, please step forward and let us know what you can = do.

It might=20 be a good idea to start with and concentrate on documentation in = English as=20 this can easily be translated to other languages when the software is=20 localized.

A few words to my background, I work on Unix/MacOSX = and come=20 from pre-press/publishing. My experience includes translation project=20 management, system/network administration and a few things more. = I’m fluent in=20 German, English, French and have some knowledge of = Spanish.

Please let=20 me know what each of you can do (wants to do) so we can get this=20 started.

Kay
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ICQ#=20 82337374
=00 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C34BBE.376083D3-- From chris123@magma.ca Wed Jul 16 19:47:33 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B947718F581 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02884-09 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:47:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F5518F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 19:47:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030716175155.KLVV427382.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:51:55 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:52:41 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307161352.41228.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:51:55 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wednesday 16 July 2003 12:53, Kay Aleksic wrote: > Hi everybody, > > My name is Kay and I volunteered for doing the documentation project > management. > > From what I saw, there are 2 more people who posted their interest to hel= p, > if there is anybody else lurking, please step forward and let us know what > you can do. > > It might be a good idea to start with and concentrate on documentation in > English as this can easily be translated to other languages when the > software is localized. > > A few words to my background, I work on Unix/MacOSX and come from > pre-press/publishing. My experience includes translation project > management, system/network administration and a few things more. I=B9m fl= uent > in German, English, French and have some knowledge of Spanish. > > Please let me know what each of you can do (wants to do) so we can get th= is > started. Greetings=20 My name in Chris and I'm in for the ride. Docs are important and usually=20 neglected so I thought I would help out from the start with this project as= =20 it has tremendouse potential. Currently reviewing the german 4.1 docs for=20 translation into english. As there are other english-german, dual language= =20 enthusiast here already, If needed I can run quality control and help out=20 with some translation as well.=20 Speeking with Helge yesterday via email, I understand the order of priority= is=20 basically, install docs, user docs, admin docs. Dev docs will come later an= d=20 primarily addressed by the dev teams. Sophie is also here from OOo.org fame= =20 and I understand she is coordinating translation teams. Not sure how these= =20 stream will line up yet but they will at some point...:) Currently setting up a project site where I will do most of my work for=20 uploading somewhere later when arrangements are complete. Im using a zope=20 system as a CMS/doc and user management system thats currently in beta. Onc= e=20 I finish it I'll move it to our production server so others can take a look= =20 if its needed or not. No offense taken if its not. I dont have a probelm wi= th=20 that at all. Its just a suitable work format for me as I tend to roam a lot. Wrt decisions on formats etc, I guess that will come later? as well as a=20 repository? Currently Im reviewing the lists to scratch together a basic se= t=20 of install docs based on variouse posts etc. Based on Russell's P. post to= =20 newsforge...its really neeeded at this time. As I know Russell his post=20 should be taken as encouragement not criticsm and perhaps a reflection of=20 where and how the priorities could be focussed. Glad to be here. Let me know how i can help. We will be putting the Canadia= n=20 project mirror (ca.opengroupware.org) on line in the next day or two so we= =20 should be able to attract more dual-tripple language folks from this side o= f=20 ocean as well. Hopefully that is.... All for now OOPs. Background info: hmm thats a long one. Short version. Former product= =20 development manager; emerging technologies group. Basically we build the ol= d=20 now defunct Netwinder. Been into the messaging-groupware-doc management are= na=20 on linux since 89. Run my own business now and work on several open source= =20 infrastructure related projects. Even started one, but that was a long time= =20 ago now..:) Now a days I most help out, when I can, on projects that intere= st=20 me as well as promoting and entrenching opensource based technologies in=20 Canada and the States.=20 =20 Best and many thanks for letting me help. /ch From helge.hess@opengroupware.org Wed Jul 16 20:23:55 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B528418F5A7 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:23:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13135-09 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F7B18F5A3 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:23:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from opengroupware.org (unknown [213.211.192.194]) by imap.mdlink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E3CCE557; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:28:35 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v578) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <50812BDF-B7BB-11D7-9561-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: documentation@opengroupware.org From: Helge Hess Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:28:36 +0200 To: "K. Aleksic" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.578) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Re: Contribute to Documentation Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I CC the list, hope you don't mind. On Mittwoch, 16. Juli 2003, at 20:01 Uhr, K. Aleksic wrote: > Do you have any preference what to do first? I was thinking about a > Quick > Start Guide and some document that lists features, architecture etc. > (based > on the terrific chart. I don't remember, haven't I written something on the list ? Maybe check the archive. Anyway, I think Chris should take on the coordination of the documentation efforts ? Maybe you should vote for a docs leader ;-) Personally I would suggest that the users manual is started ASAP. It would be perfect if the manual would exist in a form, so that an online manual can be generated from it ! > I would like to concentrate on English documentation for now so it can > be > translated as the software and the website are translated. That certainly makes sense. > How will the documentation be published? Online in HTML? PDFs for major > releases? Well, I would love to have all three: a) online at the site b) PDFs for printing c) online inside the app But I have no idea on how to do documentations ;-) Is DocBook good for that ? Never used it. The "original" SKYRIX documentation is in LaTeX, AFAIK. But it isn't contributed to OGo. > On the website the documentation for SKYRIX is mentioned, one of the > guys is > Dutch, he might find a German documentation helpful and if there are > some > parts that could be reused, I can translate them from German to > English. I think Chris already works by reading the German documentation. You'll need to make at least new screenshots since the SKYRIX docs use the "yellow" theme, not the OGo theme. > One more question, is there someone from the core team subscribed to > the > list and if so who, so we can address this person with questions, some > kind > of liaison with the developer side? I'm subscribed to any list, so I can direct people to answer questions ;-) I'm usually screening the lists, but drop me a line personally if I don't respond to something important ;-) > I also signed up for the translators list to be informed what's > happening on > this side and to coordinate with that team. Excellent ! best regards, Helge -- OpenGroupware.org - http://www.opengroupware.org/ From chris123@magma.ca Wed Jul 16 20:59:23 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBC6218F5EB for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 17280-08 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ACA318F59F for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 20:59:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030716190338.MFLY384956.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:03:38 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:04:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200307161352.41228.chris123@magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <200307161352.41228.chris123@magma.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307161504.30647.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Wed, 16 Jul 2003 15:03:38 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wednesday 16 July 2003 13:52, Chris Herrnberger wrote: temporary documentation site is available for viewing and comment. Pls see if interested, http://ca.ogw.dyndns.org Currently on my workstation so be nice..:) System features: -membership -integrated workflow: variouse roles integrated with publishing system -integrated doc formats; html, structed text, wiki texts. (.doc and .sxw can be added if needed) -output to html, pdf, email and text. (other formats can be integrated) -syndication -wiki services integrated with mail in comments Basic idea is a place where I can work on line and have my contribs reviewed by others for submission to OGO documentation repository. Please feel free to test it by logging on and creating an account. Then play (nicely) around...:) < Note:> its not finished yet so all data will be nuked by tomorrow. So pls do not put valuable material there for testing. Also I saw Helge's post earlier in the day. Regretably I must decline to lead this project as I am not a documenation person. Realistically this role should go to some one who has a few years of technical writing under their belt. I dont have that skill set. Rather, I just know clear, detailed, precise and user friendly documentation is really needed, never gets done in time, and well its usually the last thing on the list. I would be much more comfortable and productive helping someone who desires to lead this project, by keeping people focussed, on time and well, generally herding killer bees. It take much to offend me so their are no issues there whatsoever. The site presented for review is more or less a technology preview to determine if it meets the needs of this project component. Please let me know. Again, I have no issues what so ever if its decided that other means or tool sets are more productive or more in line with the over project goals. Best and thanks /ch From ogo@toasterz.com Wed Jul 16 22:39:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3126018F581 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:39:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13765-04 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:39:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao05.cox.net (fed1mtao05.cox.net [68.6.19.126]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B26C718F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:39:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030716204356.EVQX10317.fed1mtao05.cox.net@toasterz.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:43:56 -0400 Message-ID: <3F15B917.4040404@toasterz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:44:07 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm Kelley Graham. Self taught in Linux, Unix and Windows, but spend most of my timethese days in Linux. Have paid the bills for nine years now with computer and communication skills. Before that I struggled as an artist when I wasn't being a lackey in the feature film business. (art dept)... this following architecture school. Happy to say I'm still pursuing my art. My web-hosting-design-boutique is built exclusively on open source and has been running smoothly since 1999. I also own several nascent websites that seek to extend open source from the server room to the mainstream. Opengroupware is key to this effort. How can I best be used? English is my only language, so translation is out. This is my first attempt at contributing to an open source project. I don't have intimate knowledge of groupware and long experience in related projects. However, l can present complex abstractions in simple laypersons' terms. I edit well and see the big picture. Having been beaten down by the film industry (only partially serious) I am easily managed. Another quality you may find useful is the ability to think visually. Even though I write code and make a living with technical matters, I am a formally trained artist-architect and excel with expressive and aesthetic issues. Looking forward to being well managed, kg From ogo@toasterz.com Wed Jul 16 22:49:18 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7339B18F581 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13765-09 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:49:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao03.cox.net (fed1mtao03.cox.net [68.6.19.242]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D15FC18F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 22:49:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030716205402.HLFA10286.fed1mtao03.cox.net@toasterz.com> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 16:54:02 -0400 Message-ID: <3F15BB6D.4050804@toasterz.com> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 13:54:05 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team References: <200307161352.41228.chris123@magma.ca> <200307161504.30647.chris123@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Chris Herrnberger wrote: >On Wednesday 16 July 2003 13:52, Chris Herrnberger wrote: > >temporary documentation site is available for viewing and comment. Pls see if >interested, http://ca.ogw.dyndns.org Currently on my workstation so be >nice..:) > >System features: >-membership >-integrated workflow: variouse roles integrated with publishing system >-integrated doc formats; html, structed text, wiki texts. (.doc and .sxw can >be added if needed) >-output to html, pdf, email and text. (other formats can be integrated) >-syndication >-wiki services integrated with mail in comments > >Basic idea is a place where I can work on line and have my contribs reviewed >by others for submission to OGO documentation repository. Please feel free to >test it by logging on and creating an account. Then play (nicely) around...: > I was thinking along these lines... excellent job on the preview site. Thanks. My 2 cents. kg From chris123@magma.ca Wed Jul 16 23:29:54 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D38818F581 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 28787-04 for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:29:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 808CD18F56E for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 23:29:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030716213416.MQEV427382.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:34:16 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Hello Documentation Team Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:35:02 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <200307161504.30647.chris123@magma.ca> <3F15BB6D.4050804@toasterz.com> In-Reply-To: <3F15BB6D.4050804@toasterz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307161735.02565.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Wed, 16 Jul 2003 17:34:16 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wednesday 16 July 2003 16:54, Kelley G wrote: > I was thinking along these lines... excellent job on the preview site. > Thanks. > My 2 cents. Tks...I cant take any credit for it however. I intentionally left is as it ships to highlight another collection of OS projects. Namely http://plone.org http://zope.org http://cmf.zope.org http://python.org Of interests to this group potentially is the documents section at http://plone.org/documentation. All done online, as that works for me best. YMMV. Installation is simple and takes about 30 minutes. Windows is supported as so is OSX. Customization...well thats endless..but no time for that currently..why reinvent the wheel...:) /ch From dennis@pruts.nl Thu Jul 17 09:34:25 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CD7218F636 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:34:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30146-01 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:34:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from metal.pruts.nl (pruts.nl [212.204.192.151]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF56518F5A3 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:34:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: by metal.pruts.nl (Postfix, from userid 1012) id 18AA6273A7; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:39:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by metal.pruts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 179CA273A6 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:39:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 09:39:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Dennis Leeuw To: documentation@opengroupware.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Ideas and thoughts Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, First a concern: I saw that some where reading the German Skyrix documentation... I presume there is a copyright on it. Reading it might disqualify you for actually writting documentation for open source projects. Which is more or less the same for reading closed source code. Does anyone know what the position of Skyrix is on the point. If they are okay with us reading their German manuals and using them to produce OpenGroupware documentation... I would say give me a copy!!! :) Then there is ofcourse the actual documentation. I think we should start with a documentation layout. Since we are with a couple of people, we can fill in gaps (maybe a wiki might be helpful). If we first create a Book index like: 1) Build manual 2) Setup manual 3) User manual 4) Developer manual I choose this order since I think the books should be written in this order (sorry helge, user manual is to me of a later concern, when people are not able to install and setup OpenGroupware... then there are no users, you know GNUstep, so you get my point ;) ). Now we have to fill in the chapters within the books, and then the sections. When we have this skeleton everyone can pick a piece and write it. Then there is the hardest part... style :) Since we are with a couple of people that are not native English speakers, one or two persons should be responsible for corrections on grammar, spelling and style. They are the editors (again initially a wiki might come in handy). A DocBook kinda style for layout is handy imho. I am in the process of converting all my GNUstep documents to DocBook since I think it is the way to go to write modularized documentation. But that is just my point of view. A lot of output formats are available (incl. HTML, PS, RTF (for the windows fellows) and with ps2dpf also PDF). Another idea might be to use Scribus (http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/) I haven't tested it yet, but it looks promissing. But the most important part to me is the Build manual. I would like to volunteer to start on this as soon as I am back from my holiday, which is around the 15th of August (sorry, I need a break). And if we could use the Skyrix documentation... then as I said send me a copy, or let me know where to get one. There is nothing a good dictionary can't fix :) With kind regards, Dennis Leeuw From helge.hess@skyrix.com Thu Jul 17 10:34:47 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2983718F654 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:34:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27726-07 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:34:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5F9418F647 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:34:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from skyrix.com (unknown [213.211.192.194]) by imap.mdlink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE53474077 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:39:40 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v578) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: <32B0693C-B832-11D7-8344-000393C29C2A@skyrix.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Helge Hess Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Ideas and thoughts Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:39:36 +0200 To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.578) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Dennis, the SKYRIX documentation is not part of the OGo contribution, so please make no 1:1 copy of the text and images. Create your own manual structure etc. But we are OK with you reading the German manuals (if you can ;-) to get some idea on it and DEFINITELY won't sue an OGo documentation member for reading them. It might be, that we are going to remove the manuals from the website and only deliver it to customers, so get one ASAP. best regards, Helge On Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2003, at 9:39 Uhr, Dennis Leeuw wrote: > I saw that some where reading the German Skyrix documentation... I > presume > there is a copyright on it. Reading it might disqualify you for > actually > writting documentation for open source projects. Which is more or less > the > same for reading closed source code. Does anyone know what the > position of > Skyrix is on the point. > If they are okay with us reading their German manuals and using them to > produce OpenGroupware documentation... I would say give me a copy!!! :) -- __________________________________________________________________ Helge Hess Email: helge.hess@skyrix.com SKYRIX Software AG Tel: +49-391-6623-0 Universitaetsplatz 12 Fax: +49-391-6623-599 39104 Magdeburg, Germany Internet: http://www.skyrix.com __________________________________________________________________ SKYRiX goes OpenSource: http://www.opengroupware.org/ __________________________________________________________________ From chris123@magma.ca Thu Jul 17 16:50:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61A6F18F671 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:50:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14098-02 for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1310A18F66E for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 16:50:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030717145526.PYVD48303.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:55:26 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Ideas and thoughts Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:55:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307171055.55848.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Thu, 17 Jul 2003 10:55:26 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 17 July 2003 03:39, Dennis Leeuw wrote: > Hi all, > > First a concern: > I saw that some where reading the German Skyrix documentation.. This hurdle has been cleared...if you need a copy I can make it available pending Helge's permission.. > I think we should start > with a documentation layout. Since we are with a couple of people, we can > fill in gaps (maybe a wiki might be helpful). If we first create a Book > index like: > 1) Build manual > 2) Setup manual > 3) User manual > 4) Developer manual Good idea, as it points everyone in the right direction and on the same footing. I would change the oder a bit pending on who the target audience is. Im thinking here the audiance should be as many people as possible to get them using opengroupware. This implies two groups, early adopter/developers and unitiated new users. In general the first group is technically solid whereas the later group is at the other end of the spectrum. As this later group is larger then the first perhaps it makes more sence to change the order as follows; Setup manual User manual Build manal (by build manual we are talking source compiles and installations??) Developer manual Just some feed back. > I choose this order since I think the books should be written in this > order (sorry helge, user manual is to me of a later concern, when people > are not able to install and setup OpenGroupware... then there are no > users, you know GNUstep, so you get my point ;) ). My point exactly > Now we have to fill in the chapters within the books, and then the > sections. When we have this skeleton everyone can pick a piece and write > it. cool... > Then there is the hardest part... style :) Since we are with a couple of > people that are not native English speakers, one or two persons should be > responsible for corrections on grammar, spelling and style. They are the > editors (again initially a wiki might come in handy). I can do this and a wiki as part of a CMS with workflow management is available as a beta see: http://ogw.dyndns.org I will move it to my production server later in the day under a more stable URL. Then waite for approval or concensus to use it. Feel free to register and play around to test it. The wiki format starts with the documents section. On line editing is currently turned off for security reasons. > A DocBook kinda style for layout is handy imho. I am in the process of > converting all my GNUstep documents to DocBook since I think it is the way > to go to write modularized documentation. But that is just my point of > view. A lot of output formats are available (incl. HTML, PS, RTF (for the > windows fellows) and with ps2dpf also PDF). Yes I would agree here that DocBook is a good format. Unfortunately I have never had the time to learn it to the degree necessary. And it has limitiations as its a single user system. What I was thinking (for me anyways) is to use my system which I am familiar with, put them on line for review, commentary and critic. Then once content is clean then submitt then to the project. What will be needed then are style sheets, a translations system, ie: docbook, and standardized output formats. Im working on the premise that content is king and needs to get done first..:) > Another idea might be to use Scribus (http://web2.altmuehlnet.de/fschmid/) > I haven't tested it yet, but it looks promissing. Its very good. Been using it now off and on for testing for about a year. The previouse release was nicely stable enough to get some work done. This new release I have not tested yet. However Scribus is not an editor, its a dps which may or may not be needed for generating content, as content format in terms of preparation can be generated by any editor. > But the most important part to me is the Build manual. I would like to > volunteer to start on this as soon as I am back from my holiday, which is > around the 15th of August (sorry, I need a break). well you know the old adage...if ya wants it, build it...:) Have a good holiday. From helge.hess@opengroupware.org Thu Jul 17 20:18:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9668918F693; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29985-10; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4FAC18F671; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:18:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from opengroupware.org (unknown [213.211.192.194]) by imap.mdlink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5253C3E499; Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:23:37 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v578) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: documentation@opengroupware.org From: Helge Hess Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2003 20:23:30 +0200 To: users@opengroupware.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.578) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Re: [OGo-Users] Outlook migration ? Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Donnerstag, 17. Juli 2003, at 14:22 Uhr, Jevs wrote: > Theres is any way to migrate the calendar, messages, contacts from > outlook > 98 to opengroupware.org. You probably mean a "free" way. With ZideLook you can just Drag&Drop things over to OGo folders. I think it would be excellent and important to have a detailed guide on how to do what you are asking for (I took the documentation list into CC, maybe someone can work on it, Chris can you coordinate ?). There are several facilities for migrating data. Mails: just drag than over to the IMAP4 server Contacts: export as CSV and import using the WebUI Calendar: this is more difficult. Export as something and import using an XML-RPC script. An iCalendar file importer in the WebUI would certainly be excellent (and not too difficult). Another thing which should be not too difficult but very nice would be iCalendar upload support in ZideStore. This way you would mount a ZideStore folder in WebDAV and just drop in an iCalendar file for import! :-) best regards, Helge -- OpenGroupware.org - http://www.opengroupware.org/ From helge.hess@opengroupware.org Sat Jul 19 20:17:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C36F18F790 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:17:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25352-03 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.mdlink.net (medusa.mdlink.de [213.211.192.34]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45DE18F78E for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:17:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from opengroupware.org (unknown [213.211.192.194]) by imap.mdlink.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB50D07E5 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:24:19 +0200 (CEST) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v578) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: documentation@opengroupware.org From: Helge Hess Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 20:23:57 +0200 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.578) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Documentation Lead ? Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, since Chris doesn't seem to be willing to act as a document lead ;-), we'll need to find someone else ASAP to push things forward. Anyone wanting to take over this job? I think that we don't necessarily need someone who "has a few years of technical writing under their belt" - first we need someone who gets things started. We can always improve the documentation later on, doesn't need to be perfect in the first place. I know that Dennis has written some good GNUstep documentation, maybe he wants to do it at least until someone else wants to step in? best regards, Helge -- OpenGroupware.org - http://www.opengroupware.org/ From chris123@magma.ca Sat Jul 19 23:17:24 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E27BA18F7AD for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32029-02 for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:17:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D3D218F7AC for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 23:17:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030719212256.LYNC384956.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:22:56 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Documentation Lead ? Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:23:56 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> In-Reply-To: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307191723.56676.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Sat, 19 Jul 2003 17:22:56 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Saturday 19 July 2003 14:23, Helge Hess wrote: > Hi, > > since Chris doesn't seem to be willing to act as a document lead ;-), > we'll need to find someone else ASAP to push things forward. Anyone > wanting to take over this job? I think that we don't necessarily need > someone who "has a few years of > technical writing under their belt" - first we need someone who gets > things started. We can always improve the documentation later on, > doesn't need to be perfect in the first place. Please don't minundestand me Helge. I am more than will to help out and even organize stuff. Im just thinking of my time commitment to lead this project component as there a few new things looming on the horizon that should keep me pre-occupied. I would hate to mislead or do a half baked job, especially with docs. Finally Im looking at the german docs this weekend. I should be able to get a "User Guide: Quick Start ed'n" out by the end of week as a draft for review and comment. Once thats done, pending what others are working on a more complete detailed User Guide based on the german versions would be the next step IMHO. Also something to consider. Ive reviewed the unofficial HowTo's and some need to be clean up wrt typo's or cleaner instructions in terms of detail so that new users (to both linux and OGO) can simply cut and paste. Perhaps some one else may want to look at those as well. We are here to help. Best and thanks /ch From ogo@toasterz.com Sun Jul 20 20:22:01 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3251918F808 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:22:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22857-02 for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:22:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao06.cox.net (fed1mtao06.cox.net [68.6.19.125]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C55418F7FA for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 20:21:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao06.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030720182809.KXJT6930.fed1mtao06.cox.net@toasterz.com> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 14:28:09 -0400 Message-ID: <3F1ADF24.3040801@toasterz.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 11:27:48 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Documentation Lead ? References: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> <200307191723.56676.chris123@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >Also something to consider. Ive reviewed the unofficial HowTo's and some need >to be clean up wrt typo's or cleaner instructions in terms of detail so that >new users (to both linux and OGO) can simply cut and paste. Perhaps some one >else may want to look at those as well. > >We are here to help. > >Best and thanks > >/ch > > I'd be happy to look them over. Where shall I send updates? Unless I hear otherwise, I'll post back to the doc list. Give me a few days. I am working to complete the add_remove_ogo.pl install script. It will mean no cutting and pasting. Check for and get the latest packages. Install run scripts etc. What's the status of the plone doc site? kg From chris123@magma.ca Mon Jul 21 00:08:41 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAEEC18F80C for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21979-07 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:08:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A07518F809 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 00:08:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030720221434.RIED384956.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:14:34 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] Documentation Lead ? Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:15:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> <200307191723.56676.chris123@magma.ca> <3F1ADF24.3040801@toasterz.com> In-Reply-To: <3F1ADF24.3040801@toasterz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307201815.33466.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:14:34 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sunday 20 July 2003 14:27, Kelley G wrote: > >Also something to consider. Ive reviewed the unofficial HowTo's and some > > need to be clean up wrt typo's or cleaner instructions in terms of detail > > so that new users (to both linux and OGO) can simply cut and paste. > > Perhaps some one else may want to look at those as well. > > > >We are here to help. > > > >Best and thanks > > > >/ch > > I'd be happy to look them over. > Where shall I send updates? Unless I hear otherwise, I'll post back to > the doc list. > Give me a few days. Great news...:) > > I am working to complete the add_remove_ogo.pl install script. It will > mean no cutting and pasting. Thats cool. Check the comments section on the perl script as it needs to be properly commented out. As its stands it requires the end user to do that as it barfs with $perl add_remove_ogo.pl Newbies will have a tough time with this. Also pls look at the db setup instructions as there are some typo's and the ln -s instruction variouse depending authers notes. Just little house keeping issues and I hope Im not sounding overtly negatively critical..:) > Check for and get the latest packages. Install run scripts etc. The perl script is tested and works on SuSE 8.2 That shold be noted somewhere: IMHO the intall section on ogo.org could be broken out and include eventually the following: Install HowTo: RedHat verX.X Install HowTo: Mandrake: ver X.X Install HOwTo: SuSE ver X.X Install HowTo: Debian ver X.X Install HowTo: Connectiva ver X.X recognizing that most developers will be working with Debian and Connnectivia. Now the current install notes are pretty indentical for RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE. Connectiva and Debian seem to require their own instructions based on their destinctive packageing requirements. It would be helpfull (in terms of promoting the project) to have direct links on the ogo docs page to individualized or platform specific install HowTO's even if they are essentially the same. If the intended purpose is to gain max exposure for the project, then ease of use accross the wide range of users could be an end objective, IMHO...comments?? ideas? > What's the status of the plone doc site? Its on my workstation at present and hooked up to dyndns.org that I can turn on or off at will. If their is agreement and concensus to its value as a staging and production facility I can move it to our production server, say in a day or too, current work load and time commitments pending. The final outcome or intended purpose is to move all documentation to ogo.org/documentation once the docs have been reviewed and approved with the plone site serving as the production and QA (via peer review) facility. Just let me know if the group wants it and I will act accordingly. /ch From ogo@toasterz.com Mon Jul 21 03:39:27 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A8918F810 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:39:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31697-03 for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:39:27 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao05.cox.net (fed1mtao05.cox.net [68.6.19.126]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C22518F80E for ; Mon, 21 Jul 2003 03:39:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030721014550.LGVW10317.fed1mtao05.cox.net@toasterz.com> for ; Sun, 20 Jul 2003 21:45:50 -0400 Message-ID: <3F1B45CD.3010307@toasterz.com> Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2003 18:45:49 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org References: <295BEC54-BA16-11D7-AEDA-000393C29C2A@opengroupware.org> <200307191723.56676.chris123@magma.ca> <3F1ADF24.3040801@toasterz.com> <200307201815.33466.chris123@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] plone doc development site, my vote yes Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > > >>What's the status of the plone doc site? >> >> > >Its on my workstation at present and hooked up to dyndns.org that I can turn >on or off at will. If their is agreement and concensus to its value as a >staging and production facility I can move it to our production server, say >in a day or too, current work load and time commitments pending. The final >outcome or intended purpose is to move all documentation to >ogo.org/documentation once the docs have been reviewed and approved with the >plone site serving as the production and QA (via peer review) facility. > >Just let me know if the group wants it and I will act accordingly. > >/ch > > > i am for the shortest path to good docs... looks like your plone site is the closest to being usable. count my vote a yes. kg From ogo@toasterz.com Sun Jul 27 08:50:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CA6518F593 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15675-10 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:50:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao05.cox.net (fed1mtao05.cox.net [68.6.19.126]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5B7418F56A for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 08:50:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao05.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030727065928.PWQM10317.fed1mtao05.cox.net@toasterz.com> for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 02:59:28 -0400 Message-ID: <3F23785B.4060909@toasterz.com> Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2003 23:59:39 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: documentation@opengroupware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] i'm ready to get to work... is plone up? Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hello: i'm looking to start on the docs. is the plone server (or alternative) up? i'd be willing to setup a development cvs repos via ssh for doc team members if the plone server isn't working out. i'd then serve it up to the world via http until the cvs-webdav-whatever-ogo-decides-to-use is setup at ogo or bandwidth becomes a problem. kg From chris123@magma.ca Sun Jul 27 10:28:50 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E4018F544 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:28:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11093-04 for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:28:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E55918F53E for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 10:28:48 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030727083705.EYHV268566.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:37:05 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] i'm ready to get to work... is plone up? Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:38:12 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <3F23785B.4060909@toasterz.com> In-Reply-To: <3F23785B.4060909@toasterz.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307270438.12305.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Sun, 27 Jul 2003 04:37:05 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sunday 27 July 2003 02:59, Kelley G wrote: > hello: > > i'm looking to start on the docs. > is the plone server (or alternative) up? > > i'd be willing to setup a development cvs repos via ssh for doc team > members if the plone server isn't working out. i'd then serve it up to the > world via http > until the cvs-webdav-whatever-ogo-decides-to-use is setup at ogo > or bandwidth becomes a problem. Amazingly yes. Im currently working on it thanks to the amazing support form the OGO leads. They are now hosting the site so no bandwidth concerns...:) One module remains to be installed/updated (ie: zwiki) and then it will be ready to go. Should be ready Monday or there abouts I think, as soon as the lads get some time to make the necessary updates to the server. As soon as its done it will appear at http://docs.opengroupware.org is my understanding. Thanks for your patience. /ch From ashwin42@yahoo.co.uk Mon Jul 28 14:31:11 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D164418F668 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:31:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29372-09 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:31:09 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp100.mail.sc5.yahoo.com (smtp100.mail.sc5.yahoo.com [216.136.174.138]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 1A3D218F51C for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 14:31:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ptil-178-153-16-ind.primus-india.net (HELO hurricane) (ashwin42@61.16.153.178 with login) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jul 2003 12:40:19 -0000 From: "Ashwin Shah" To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:10:01 +0530 Organization: Induslogic Message-ID: <000601c35505$5e8c3430$3f00a8c0@synapse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35533.78447030" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] I would like to help with documentation Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35533.78447030 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi guys, My name is Ashwin and I work as Manager IT. I have been working as a support professional for almost ten years now. I've worked with Windows, Novell and a few UNIXes. I've also been administering linux for the past six years. Well, this is my first attempt to contribute to the open source community and I hope I will be able to. I did some German in school and I think I can help in some translations. I do know some good technical writers who have promised to provide me with some guidance in this direction. Please let me know how I can go about contributing to the documentation. Thanks in advance Best regards, Ashwin ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35533.78447030 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi guys,

        = ;    My name is Ashwin and I work as Manager IT. I have been working as a = support professional for almost ten years now. I’ve worked with Windows, Novell and a = few UNIXes. I’ve also been administering linux for the past six years. = Well, this is my first attempt to contribute to the open source community and = I hope I will be able to. I did some German in school and I think I can help in = some translations. I do know some good technical writers who have promised to provide me = with some guidance in this direction. Please let me know how I can go about = contributing to the documentation.

 

Thanks in advance

 

Best regards,

 

Ashwin

 

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C35533.78447030-- From chris123@magma.ca Mon Jul 28 15:32:46 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2192718F684 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:32:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13361-03 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0661618F585 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 15:32:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030728134157.LGWU468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:41:57 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] I would like to help with documentation Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:41:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <000601c35505$5e8c3430$3f00a8c0@synapse.com> In-Reply-To: <000601c35505$5e8c3430$3f00a8c0@synapse.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307280941.59311.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Mon, 28 Jul 2003 09:41:57 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 28 July 2003 08:40, Ashwin Shah wrote: > Please let me know how I can go about > contributing to the documentation. Greetings Ashwin; Welcome on board and thanks for the offer. Your efforts will be appreciated. Just a quick overview. Currently the project is completing the setup of the infrastucture needed to coordinate document generation and management on an online forum. This should get done by the end of this week latest. There are some good docs available from SkyRix which we have permission to translate in English and other languages as well as use as source material. Licences on all OGO generated doc's should be GLP's equivalent. So it means essentially a re-write of the exiting docs plus new ones. A general lay of the land would look something like this. Set One: HowTo's and FAQ's Install HowTo's; distro and platform specific installations notes. FAQ's : frequently asked questions HowTo's: A collection of HowTo's that address specific items wrt the OGO application, installation, administration. Set Two: Manual's Quick Start Manual: A manual to get a new 'user' orientated quickly to working within the OGO environment (10 pages or less covering all basic steps) User Manual; A detailed feature specific user manual that the end user can use as a reference. This manual needs to address items that are not coverd or are insufficiently addressed in the Quick Start Manual. Admin Manual; A detailed manual providing instruction on all aspects of administering OGO. This would include all system components ie: Apache, postrgresql, OGO, zideserver, palm syncronization User Management and administration etc etc. So there is lots to be covered. Im at work right now so I need to finish this post and get onto some deadline stuff. Check back here later this afternoon for more details. Sorry bout this. /ch From chris123@magma.ca Mon Jul 28 16:28:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0405418F595 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:27:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22805-05 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D64B18F594 for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:27:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030728143635.MYOP155741.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:36:35 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] I would like to help with documentation Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:37:15 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 References: <000601c35505$5e8c3430$3f00a8c0@synapse.com> <200307280941.59311.chris123@magma.ca> In-Reply-To: <200307280941.59311.chris123@magma.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307281037.15692.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:36:35 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 28 July 2003 09:41, Chris Herrnberger wrote: > Im at work right now so I need to finish this post and get onto some > deadline stuff. Check back here later this afternoon for more details. > Sorry bout this. Ok...back again..deadline completed and met..:) So..where was I...ah yes. Please have a look at the following references to get you orientated. http://www.skyrix.com/en/support/manuals/index.xhtml /ch From chris123@magma.ca Mon Jul 28 16:40:45 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F87F18F68C; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:40:45 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15799-08; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:40:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.73]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19D3B18F59D; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 16:40:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030728144957.MAEL468637.fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]>; Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:49:57 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:49:58 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.1 Cc: marketing@opengroupware.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200307281049.58977.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep03-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Mon, 28 Jul 2003 10:49:57 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] Informational Requirements Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry for cross posting but this really effects three groups. 1. documentation 2. marketing 3. translations (sorry not on that list currently) Recommend we consider a couple of standard informational documents that would be crossfunctional: 1. We should prepare a guidance document that essentially covers the features and functionality of OGO in a matrix format: -server capabilites: feature per feature assessment with respect too Exchange, LotusNotes/Domino, other commercial players?? -client side: supported clients and feature sets, best to be really honest on this one, with a roadmap and timeline for additional features. 2. A monthly update report. Call it news, call it project summary call it whatever, its really not that important. What is important is that is summarizes accomplishments and events of the past month and outlines comming events with dates. Actually item 1 has been requested by now by several potential users (SME's), so I will be starting a meager effort at this end to get the ball rolling. We will release it to the project when completed, but sure could use some help on it so will be doing most of the work on the doc site as soon as its done as it allows easy review by interested parties Comments and feedback most welcomed. /ch From ogo@toasterz.com Tue Jul 29 23:37:37 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1C6C18F5C0; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12834-07; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:37:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fed1mtao08.cox.net (fed1mtao08.cox.net [68.6.19.123]) by mail.opengroupware.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE5C418F521; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 23:37:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from toasterz.com ([68.0.151.150]) by fed1mtao08.cox.net (InterMail vM.5.01.04.05 201-253-122-122-105-20011231) with ESMTP id <20030729214710.HFYR7156.fed1mtao08.cox.net@toasterz.com>; Tue, 29 Jul 2003 17:47:10 -0400 Message-ID: <3F26EB69.8030908@toasterz.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2003 14:47:21 -0700 From: Kelley G User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.0.2) Gecko/20030208 Netscape/7.02 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: users@opengroupware.org, documentation@opengroupware.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] master defaults and other files Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: here's what i have so far. from the lists and elsewhere. RedHat centric at this time. please contribute as these are forming the beginnings of documetnation. http://exchangekiller.com/docs/master_defaults.html kg From chris123@magma.ca Mon Aug 4 16:22:20 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (opengroupware.org) with ESMTP id D458218F56A; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24252-05; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:22:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mail.opengroupware.org (opengroupware.org) with ESMTP id 7D7B518F580; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:22:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030804142131.RKKR268566.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]>; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:21:31 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:22:22 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 Cc: users@opengroupware.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308041022.22727.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:21:31 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] doc.opengroupware.org announcement Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Greetings; Aplogies in advance for cross posting. We have come far enough to let the cat out of the bag. While not 100 % complete it is sufficient to start using. Release early, release often that our plan..:) We are very pleased to announce http://docs.opengroupware.org an online facility for document creation for the OGo project. The doc portal has been build on zope/plone and allows for documentation to be easily created on line or locally on your workstation. The choice remains yours. To start with the system, become a member, set your preferences (pls use the plone skin only as the other may break) and review the help system under the support tab (to be completed). Questions on using the system can be dropped at the discuss forum contained on the system or on this list for now. (documentation@opengroupware.org) http://docs.opengroupware.org remains a production facility. Once released all documents will be officially released on the http://opengroupware.org site. "What we need." 1. Translation teams: German>English SkyRix has graciously allowed access to their German documentation to be used as source material for English gpl equivalent documentation. Please consider participating in this task and announcing your intend on the documentation list. 2. Document owners; We have prepared a preliminary inventory of document requirements. This will grow. We need people who are willing to coordinate a particular subject matter and take ownership of the documents production. You do not need to work on it yourself. 3. List monitors. We need people to monitor the various lists and pull pertinent information ie: solutions or frequently asked questions from those lists and either create, add too or maintain various FAQ's 4. Writers. Never written docs before but always wanted too. Its not a difficult as you may think. Please consider it by logging on too http://docs.opengroupware.org 5. Support Please use the documentation list and the various online support systems on the site. Finally if you really get stuck you can always post to me directly as a last resort. The address is in the header section. "What we have for you in return" 1. Fame, glory, exposure to cool people. Hay we think were OK..:) 2. No fortune..sorry no cash advances. 3. An opportunity to participate in one of the most interesting and potentially significant OSS projects currently in play. 4. Doc writers maintain all copyright to their documentation. A suitable gpl release license remains to be determined. All documentation release by docs.opengroupware.org will be released under a suitable gpl license. Thanks for reading all this. Chris H. From peter.whysall@serco.com Mon Aug 4 16:38:59 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (opengroupware.org) with ESMTP id 488AF18F5BD; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:38:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27043-07; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:38:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from porky.serco.com (porky.serco.com [195.50.81.243]) by mail.opengroupware.org (opengroupware.org) with ESMTP id 82F1918F580; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 16:38:58 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.22.1.247] (helo=mail2.technology.serco.com) by porky.serco.com with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19jgUG-0006sh-01; Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:39:00 +0100 Received: by mail2.technology.serco.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:42:55 +0100 Message-ID: <6A8E139BEAF9ED44A7704C1BA398D56B1670@mail2.technology.serco.com> From: Peter Whysall To: "'users@opengroupware.org'" , documentation@opengroupware.org Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 15:42:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanner: exiscan for exim4 (http://duncanthrax.net/exiscan/) *19jgUG-0006sh-01*aSvKk6hqzUM* X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Subject: [OGo-Documentation] RE: [OGo-Users] doc.opengroupware.org announcement Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've joined and have got started. This is a great idea and a nice website; thanks, you've done a wonderful job. Shouts to the doc.ogo.org folks as well as the indomitable ogo.org people. P. -- Peter Whysall IT Systems Engineer, Serco Integrated Transport email: peter.whysall@serco.com voice: 01287 611263 fax: 01287 610360 vpn: 211 1263 guis ext: 1263 This message, including attachments, is intended only for the use by the person(s) to whom it is addressed. It may contain information which is privileged and confidential. Copying or use by anybody else is not authorised. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender as soon as possible. The views expressed in this communication may not necessarily be the views held by Serco Integrated Transport. From mlkb@be.stone-it.com Tue Aug 5 10:46:57 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id 609EA18F6AF for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:46:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12386-01 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:46:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inspon.stone-it.be (unknown [62.58.98.194]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id 3300A18F6AE for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:46:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from inspon.stone-it.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inspon.stone-it.be (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h758jSAs003143 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:45:28 +0200 Received: (from sdog@localhost) by inspon.stone-it.be (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id h758jR0V003141 for documentation@opengroupware.org; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:45:27 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: inspon.stone-it.be: sdog set sender to mlkb@be.stone-it.com using -f Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] doc.opengroupware.org announcement From: Kris Buytaert To: documentation@opengroupware.org In-Reply-To: <200308041022.22727.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200308041022.22727.chris123@magma.ca> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1060073126.1713.31.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.0 Date: 05 Aug 2003 10:45:26 +0200 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 16:22, Chris Herrnberger wrote: > Greetings; > We are very pleased to announce http://docs.opengroupware.org an online > facility for document creation for the OGo project. The doc portal has been > build on zope/plone and allows for documentation to be easily created on line > or locally on your workstation. The choice remains yours. > Somehow I can't connect to that site for the moment, probably a temporary glitch.. As I realise that my current schedule is way to loaded to actually commit on actually writing more docs for now. I'll try to follow up and give some advise from my experience. > 1. Translation teams: German>English > 2. Document owners; > 3. List monitors. > 4. Writers. > 5. Support With the Content management system ready I think you folks are heading the right direction. Some small notes. - As you already pointed out documents have to be officially released on the site. People will start asking for Printable (PDF) versions of the documentation, you might want to take a look at the status of the Lampadas project, I think it is Plone based, which will provide you with a tool to create docbook style documents which then can be converted and printed. Try to Create different parts in 1 "book" - Installing - Administrating - Using People often only read 1 "book" rather than the complete documentation. When writing docs it is really important that you mention which version of the software these docs are valid for, and that somewhere in the document you mention a release date. GPL based documents tend to be spread around the internet, people often find old versions of documents that are obsolete but don't realise it. Next to that , we will need people writing small articles in different magazines, webzines etc about opengroupware ... Anyway .. I`ll help out whenever I have the time.. greetz.. -- Kris Buytaert From chris123@magma.ca Tue Aug 5 15:47:26 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id F255D18F572 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05161-07 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:47:25 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.72]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id D12D818F381 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:47:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030805134647.YLKY155741.fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:46:47 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Subject: Re: [OGo-Documentation] doc.opengroupware.org announcement Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:47:38 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 References: <200308041022.22727.chris123@magma.ca> <1060073126.1713.31.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1060073126.1713.31.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200308050947.38901.chris123@magma.ca> X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH PLAIN at fep02-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com from [63.138.174.217] using ID at Tue, 5 Aug 2003 09:46:47 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20030314-p2 (Debian) at opengroupware.org Sender: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org Errors-To: documentation-admin@opengroupware.org X-BeenThere: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.11 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: documentation@opengroupware.org X-Reply-To: chris123@magma.ca List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: OGo Documentation Issues List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tuesday 05 August 2003 04:45, Kris Buytaert wrote: > Somehow I can't connect to that site for the moment, probably a > temporary glitch.. seems to be up > Lampadas project, I think it is Plone based, which will provide you with > a tool to create docbook style documents which then can be converted and > printed. tks I will look into it, but can do this already from structured text format. See http://docutils.sourceforge.net/ > Try to Create different parts in 1 "book" > - Installing > - Administrating > - Using > People often only read 1 "book" rather than the complete documentation. We are intentionally keeping all sections in sections durring production and when released for ease of use. A complete version in variouse formats will also be made available once its done. > When writing docs it is really important that you mention which version > of the software these docs are valid for, and that somewhere in the > document you mention a release date. GPL based documents tend to be > spread around the internet, people often find old versions of documents > that are obsolete but don't realise it. Good point. We are targeting a stable 1.0 release comming later/soon. > Next to that , we will need people writing small articles in different > magazines, webzines etc about opengroupware ... > > Anyway .. I`ll help out whenever I have the time.. Excellent...why not start with writing some reviews as you suggested. /ch From chris123@magma.ca Tue Aug 5 22:52:52 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: documentation@opengroupware.org Received: from localhost (mail.opengroupware.org [213.211.192.141]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id 32B8118F598 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:52:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.opengroupware.org ([213.211.192.141]) by localhost (mail [213.211.192.141]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27545-09 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:52:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com [66.185.86.71]) by mail.opengroupware.org (mail) with ESMTP id A8DD118F4F3 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 22:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([63.138.174.217]) by fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com (InterMail vM.5.01.05.12 201-253-122-126-112-20020820) with ESMTP id <20030805205217.DGDF268566.fep01-mail.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com@[192.168.1.100]> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:52:17 -0400 From: Chris Herrnberger To: documentation@opengroupware.org Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:53:11 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.3 MIME-Ver