From documentation@opengroupware.org Wed Sep 1 14:27:20 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 09:27:20 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] First File - LSWScheduler.strings In-Reply-To: <1093500551.5367.41.camel@denk.nakedape.priv> References: <1093500551.5367.41.camel@denk.nakedape.priv> Message-ID: <200409010927.20926.chris123@magma.ca> On August 26, 2004 2:09 am, Wil Cooley wrote: > As far as I can tell, these strings are used in the preferences for the > calendar, but not in the calendar itself. I've attached both the > changed file and a unified diff. Quick Review based on Kcompare review (actually a nice tool for this) source: LSWScheduler.strings.patch 1. Protocal used is to change lower case to upper case. 2. lines 195,196,197 seem to be inconsistent eg: "Hours for end time...... should this not be ....End Time....? 3. Several more examples and lines itemized if and when there is a need to change this. Comments? Again sorry for the delay. I know momentum is everything..:) /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 15:33:24 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (chrish) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 10:33:24 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto Message-ID: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> Greets; Can someone pls review and provide comment. There are still two issues that need to be resolved (one is the rendering issue, the other a comment for Kelley G.) prior to releasing it as final. /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 16:12:08 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Kelley G) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 08:12:08 -0700 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <414072C8.5070503@toasterz.com> chrish wrote: >Greets; > >Can someone pls review and provide comment. There are still two issues that >need to be resolved (one is the rendering issue, the other a comment for >Kelley G.) prior to releasing it as final. > >/ch > > a comment for me to produce? is this someething i can provide or are your refering to a link to the install script? -- kelley g oooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://toasterz.com http://exchangekiller.com oooooooooooooooooooooooooo From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 16:48:43 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (chrish) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 11:48:43 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <414072C8.5070503@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <414072C8.5070503@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> On Thursday 09 September 2004 11:12, Kelley G wrote: > chrish wrote: > >Greets; > > > >Can someone pls review and provide comment. There are still two issues > > that need to be resolved (one is the rendering issue, the other a comment > > for Kelley G.) prior to releasing it as final. > > > >/ch > > a comment for me to produce? is this someething i can provide or are > your refering to a > link to the install script? What Ive noticed Kelley is that even on a vanilla SuSE OS where OGo is installed the first time, the script pumps out the message as indicated. "Removing tools package that conflicts... warning: package opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 = 4.2-ogo042 was already added, replacing with opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 <= 4.2-ogo042"... However OGo has not been installed befor..? See: http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/chris/SuSE/installation/9.1 Howto/view please /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 18:21:08 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Kelley G) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 10:21:08 -0700 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <414072C8.5070503@toasterz.com> <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> chrish wrote: >On Thursday 09 September 2004 11:12, Kelley G wrote: > > >>chrish wrote: >> >> >>>Greets; >>> >>>Can someone pls review and provide comment. There are still two issues >>>that need to be resolved (one is the rendering issue, the other a comment >>>for Kelley G.) prior to releasing it as final. >>> >>>/ch >>> >>> >>a comment for me to produce? is this someething i can provide or are >>your refering to a >>link to the install script? >> >> > >What Ive noticed Kelley is that even on a vanilla SuSE OS where OGo is >installed the first time, the script pumps out the message as indicated. > >"Removing tools package that conflicts... > >warning: package opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 = 4.2-ogo042 was already >added, replacing with opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 <= 4.2-ogo042"... > >However OGo has not been installed befor..? > >See: http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/chris/SuSE/installation/9.1 >Howto/view please > >/ch > > the deprecated tools package esists and is named 'latest' so the script grabs it. i then remove it from the install... i could: 1) suppress the removal message or 2) make a note explaining. your call, chris. also, i'd like to add a suse version check to the script. i don't run suse so maybe you could tell me where the distro version info is located. redhat's distro info i use in in /etc/redhat-release. this tells the script to add the line: export LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.4.1 to .bash_profile while we're on the topic... i could add a check for every distro if the community could tell me where to look and what to look for. thanks, -- kelley g oooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://toasterz.com http://exchangekiller.com oooooooooooooooooooooooooo From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 19:02:15 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:02:15 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091402.15774.chris123@magma.ca> On September 9, 2004 1:21 pm, Kelley G wrote: > >warning: package opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 = 4.2-ogo042 was > > already added, replacing with opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 <= > > 4.2-ogo042"... > > > >However OGo has not been installed befor..? Tks...the tools part is understood. The gstep-db-postgresql72 was already added part is what confuses the hell outta me. Its a vanilla install and guess what I am having some serious issues with the db and the commercial version..:) So please educate me about that statement....:) /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 19:15:48 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:15:48 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> On September 9, 2004 1:21 pm, Kelley G wrote: /etc/SuSE-release should be what your looking for..:) Thanks for doing this. /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 19:31:38 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Kelley G) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:31:38 -0700 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <200409091402.15774.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> <200409091402.15774.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <4140A18A.9070103@toasterz.com> Chris H wrote: >On September 9, 2004 1:21 pm, Kelley G wrote: > > > >>>warning: package opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 = 4.2-ogo042 was >>>already added, replacing with opengroupware-gstep-db-postgresql72 <= >>>4.2-ogo042"... >>> >>>However OGo has not been installed befor..? >>> >>> > >Tks...the tools part is understood. The gstep-db-postgresql72 was already >added part is what confuses the hell outta me. Its a vanilla install and >guess what I am having some serious issues with the db and the commercial >version..:) So please educate me about that statement....:) > >/ch > > this is an rpm thing... my script simply tells it to intsall all packeges. maybe there's a duplicate package hanging around. it's probably harmless. is the install failing? -- kelley g oooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://toasterz.com http://exchangekiller.com oooooooooooooooooooooooooo From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 19:32:16 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Kelley G) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 11:32:16 -0700 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091148.43557.chris123@magma.ca> <41409104.3030704@toasterz.com> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> Chris H wrote: >On September 9, 2004 1:21 pm, Kelley G wrote: > >/etc/SuSE-release should be what your looking for..:) > >Thanks for doing this. > >/ch > > ok could you send me the contents? -- kelley g oooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://toasterz.com http://exchangekiller.com oooooooooooooooooooooooooo From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 19:38:18 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 14:38:18 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <4140A18A.9070103@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091402.15774.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A18A.9070103@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091438.18908.chris123@magma.ca> On September 9, 2004 2:31 pm, Kelley G wrote: > this is an rpm thing... > my script simply tells it to intsall all packeges. > maybe there's a duplicate package hanging around. Vanilla SuSE 9.1 and still a virgin when it comes to OGo. Error is repeatable too. > it's probably harmless. is the install failing? No OGo works fine. However ZideStore commercial (not your concern I know) is giving me serious grief with db issues. Just trying to sort it out and noticed this error message during each install on fresh/virgin systems. /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 20:00:52 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 15:00:52 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> On September 9, 2004 2:32 pm, Kelley G wrote: > ok could you send me the contents? vi /etc/SuSE-release SuSE Linux 9.1 (i586) VERSION = 9.1 From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 20:24:40 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Kelley G) Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 12:24:40 -0700 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> Message-ID: <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> Chris H wrote: >On September 9, 2004 2:32 pm, Kelley G wrote: > > > >>ok could you send me the contents? >> >> >vi /etc/SuSE-release >SuSE Linux 9.1 (i586) >VERSION = 9.1 > > > > thanks, i've added the needed logic to the script. maybe someone could test and get back to me. i'm currently downloading the standard open source offering for testing. quick question, which are the free version(s) suse offers and what are the differences (in the most general sense) from the non-free products. i have looked several times on the suse website over the years and it never been obvious nor clear... thanks. -- kelley g oooooooooooooooooooooooooo http://toasterz.com http://exchangekiller.com oooooooooooooooooooooooooo From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 20:27:23 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 21:27:23 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> On Sep 9, 2004, at 21:24, Kelley G wrote: > quick question, which are the free version(s) suse offers > and what are the differences (in the most general sense) from > the non-free products. Only SuSE 9.1 is free. > i have looked several times on the suse website over the years > and it never been obvious nor clear... Well, it was never free until 9.1. regards, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 9 21:39:39 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2004 16:39:39 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> Message-ID: <200409091639.40378.chris123@magma.ca> On September 9, 2004 3:24 pm, Kelley G wrote: http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/personal_iso_int.html Then update with Yast to your hearts content..or apget if thats your preferred poison. There are others as well. /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Wed Sep 29 12:43:20 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Group Ware) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 14:43:20 +0300 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] User manual Message-ID: <008601c4a619$8681c020$0b0ba8c0@Veera> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A632.A9D54B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How I can get User manual for OpenGroupWare? ------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A632.A9D54B00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="koi8-r" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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------=_NextPart_000_0083_01C4A632.A9D54B00-- From documentation@opengroupware.org Wed Sep 29 20:46:39 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Rob Bosch) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:46:39 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> Op do 09-09-2004, om 21:27 schreef Helge Hess: > Only SuSE 9.1 is free. I allways understood only the ISO's for SuSE linux were paid. I think FTP installation of SuSE linux was allways possible. Now Novell has taken over SuSE, the ISO for SuSE9.1 Personal edition is free for download from the SuSE site and official mirrors. SuSE 9.1 Professional is not free, but basicly it is the same as the personal version except for the LOADS of extra programs that go with the Professional version. However those extra programs are for the greater majority allso available through Yast/Red Carpet or manual download/installation of the rpm's. (btw, it would be cool if OGo could be made available as rpm and installable through Yast/Red Carpet ;-) ) regards, Rob From documentation@opengroupware.org Wed Sep 29 21:29:27 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 22:29:27 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> Message-ID: <42B4BF64-1256-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> On Sep 29, 2004, at 21:46, Rob Bosch wrote: > I allways understood only the ISO's for SuSE linux were paid. > I think FTP installation of SuSE linux was allways possible. Ever tried to install from pure FTP? ;-) You could not install a SuSE without buying the CD. > Now Novell has taken over SuSE, the ISO for SuSE9.1 Personal edition is > free for download from the SuSE site and official mirrors. BTW: SLES 9 is also a free download. You just don't get maintenance updates. > btw, it would be cool if OGo could > be made available as rpm and installable through Yast/Red Carpet ;-) OGo is available through yum and apt4rpm (and of course through apt/deb for people using a real Linux distro ;-). It also used to be available through RedCarpet, though this is likely to be broken currently (but it is probably trivial to get up again). I don't know what is required for YaST http repositories. Greets, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 30 04:20:48 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 23:20:48 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <42B4BF64-1256-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> <42B4BF64-1256-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <415B7B90.2030205@magma.ca> Helge Hess wrote: What? I have never paid SuSE since 5.2 All were ftp installs. First with boot floopies, then much later with ftp iso's (boot discs on a dl'd iso) Works at this end to this day. In fact the first thing I do when some one lends me their CD set is to change the source of installation to an FTP mirror. This is very practical as I am not dependant on the CD post installation (if I go this route), and all updates get pulled to central server for redistribution. Same for downloaded packages installed via ftp. > >I don't know what is required for YaST http repositories. Good question. Will check/investigate as time permits. It should be as simple as some sort of controll file with an inventory /ch From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 30 10:03:03 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 11:03:03 +0200 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <415B7B90.2030205@magma.ca> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> <42B4BF64-1256-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <415B7B90.2030205@magma.ca> Message-ID: <8983EE62-12BF-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> [I guess this belongs more on the discussion group] On Sep 30, 2004, at 5:20, Chris H wrote: > In fact the first thing I do when some one lends me their CD set Last time I heard "lending" of proprietary software is forbidden ;-) In fact 99% of the SuSE CD content are indeed free or OpenSource software and obviously always was. Now the interesting thing is that YaST, the installer, was proprietary software and was required to be bought on a per host basis (not 100% on that one, could have been per user as well). Obviously you can't install a SuSE without YaST, so this ensured SuSE a license fee per copy (and also resulted in the ISO image not being allowed to get copied). Fortunately this is all gone now with SuSE 9.1 and the GPL YaST, and the move to a service model :-) Maybe I'm completely wrong (but I don't think so). Greets, Helge -- http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/helge/ OpenGroupware.org From documentation@opengroupware.org Thu Sep 30 15:46:51 2004 From: documentation@opengroupware.org (Chris H) Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:46:51 -0400 Subject: [OGo-Documentation] revised SuSE 9.1 Install Howto In-Reply-To: <8983EE62-12BF-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> References: <200409091033.24298.chris123@magma.ca> <200409091415.48803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140A1B0.8030204@toasterz.com> <200409091500.52803.chris123@magma.ca> <4140ADF8.9050103@toasterz.com> <4643A880-0296-11D9-97D4-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <1096487199.3905.12.camel@linux1.site> <42B4BF64-1256-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> <415B7B90.2030205@magma.ca> <8983EE62-12BF-11D9-8923-000D93C1A604@opengroupware.org> Message-ID: <415C1C5B.5060108@magma.ca> Helge Hess wrote: > [I guess this belongs more on the discussion group] > > On Sep 30, 2004, at 5:20, Chris H wrote: > >> In fact the first thing I do when some one lends me their CD set > > > Last time I heard "lending" of proprietary software is forbidden ;-) > > In fact 99% of the SuSE CD content are indeed free or OpenSource > software and obviously always was. Now the interesting thing is that > YaST, the installer, was proprietary software and was required to be > bought on a per host basis (not 100% on that one, could have been per > user as well). Obviously you can't install a SuSE without YaST, so > this ensured SuSE a license fee per copy (and also resulted in the ISO > image not being allowed to get copied). > > Fortunately this is all gone now with SuSE 9.1 and the GPL YaST, and > the move to a service model :-) > > Maybe I'm completely wrong (but I don't think so). > Slight but important modification..:) No not wrong but a common misunderstanding around Yast.(We used to debate this to death on our local lug list here in Ottawa) The license that shipped with Yast(1)-(2) was specifically set up to protect SuSE's IP investment in that tool. While not GPL or even close, the license did not prohibit reditribution in any manner, only restricted the end user from recontruction, reverse engineering or amending Yast 'without written concent'. So it was perfectly OK with SuSE to redistribute the GPL components inclusive of yast provided you did not charge a fee for it. While somewhat repulsive for later versions of SuSE it was necessary early on as yast was essentially a collection of scripts in the earliest days derrived from Slackware and Partick V. SuSE's portion of the earliest releases was the development of Yast and extensive modification to fwvm2 if anyone remembers that as one of earliest (slick at that time) desktops tailored specifically to a german audience. When KDE1.0 become stable and gold, this also changed and SuSE moved to KDE exclusively and then included Gnome based on consumer demand. All this has now changed with Novell. Yast is 100% GPL and Novell is actively working to develop a highbred corporate desktop based on KDE and Gnome intergration. Further, SuSE9.x personal and SLES9 are also composed of GPL software. In fact the bundling in SLES 9 is excellent. You can install a 100 percent GPL system available for download, enterprise class, and selectively add or remove Novell proprietary products. An SDK for Yast is also available for download. This means that you can effectively install and run SLES 9 past the 30 day trial period, minus updates, indefinitely. The status on updates I have not investigated yet, but as these are based on GPL products at minimum source code 'should' be made available if not binaries. Sorry not that far into it yet. It must be stated in order not to misrepresent, I am a Novell Partner. So potentially there is a bias in my comments. However I presume them to be accurate. ..:) Clarifications or corrections most welcomed. Regards /ch