From macosx@opengroupware.org Sun Apr 29 19:10:31 2007 From: macosx@opengroupware.org (Tabitha McNerney) Date: Sun, 29 Apr 2007 08:10:31 -1000 Subject: [OGo-MacOSX] Meaning of web-ui output (built from trunk build 1934 + SOPE 4.6 beta on Mac OS X successfully) Message-ID: <7fccb3000704291110h3a261632v63030f4beacac178@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_36596_23248358.1177870231632 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello all, I'm pleased to report that I have just successfully built and installed OpenGroupware 1.1 from trunk (build 1934) with SOPE 4.6 beta (containing gnustep-make 1.13) and with apache 2.2.4 on Mac OS X Server 10.4.9 I am intentionally cross posting this message because the questions I have may not be related to OGo running on Mac OS X but I also don't' see a lot o= f people posting about their Mac OS X experiences and instead of people complaining about their experiences not working, how about being happy abou= t something working and having some positive news for a change? The last time I built OGo was from version 1.1.6 yummy in August 2006 and using SOPE 4.5.9 alpha with gnustep-make 1.10, so I noticed a few teeny tin= y changes when running the web-ui, and thus the formation of my questions: 1.) After starting web-ui, I noticed this new message: Apr 29 17:32:38 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SNS support disabled. > What is SNS? 2.) After making the first connection to web-ui from a browser these messages appear and are of interest: Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> Note: n= o > OGo documentation installed! > I wonder what mistake I made and where should the OGo documentation be installed? Am I missing a defaults entry perhaps? I didn't see anything special in my previous sys admin / OGo installation documentation about thi= s from last year. Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> SP: > (null) > What does SP with a null value mean? I Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: [ERROR] (116D116D014634D74A) did not > find dockable page: 'Registration' > Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SkyDock did not find dockable page > Registration > I also don't recall seeing this error before. Any suggestions on what to do to alleviate the Registration dockable page error? Thank you tons, Tabitha P.S. I'd love to see the core maintainers of OpenGroupware get together wit= h Apple so that Apple would bundle OGo with Mac OS X Server in a future version such as Leopard like they are doing for the CalDAV as part of their forthcoming new calendar server in Leopard Server < http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html > which reads excerpted: > Works well with others > > iCal Server uses open calendaring protocols for integrating with leading > calendaring programs including iCal 3 in Leopard, Mozilla's Sunbird, OSAF= 's > Chandler and Microsoft Outlook. These open standard protocols include Cal= DAV > =97 a set of extensions to WebDAV =97 and interchange formats such as iCa= lendar, > iMIP, and iTIP. > > Apple is a member of the CalConnect Consortiumand is committed to open, standards-based calendaring and scheduling > protocols. To further the widespread adoption and deployment of these > calendaring standards, complete source code will be released to the open > source community as part of the Darwin Calendar Server project, hosted on > the opensource.apple.com website > Yes Apple, and don't forget our friend OpeGroupware! Apple is also incorporating Ruby on Rails http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/more.html which is free marketin= g for Rails (this is similar to what I'd love to see Apple do with OpenGroupware): > Internet and Web > > Leopard Server also features administration for either Apache 2.2 or 1.3, > MySQL 5 with Apache/MySQL/PHP integration, JBoss 4, and Tomcat 5 for host= ing > EJB 3.0 and J2EE 1.4-compliant enterprise applications, and Ruby on Rails > with Mongrel for simplified development and deployment of web-based > applications. > If Apple bundled OpenGroupware with Leopard, it could bring a lot of momentum and wider adoption and therefore a more rich community of users using OpenGroupware IMHO (note: this is nothing against OpenBSD, FreeBSD, o= r Linux whatsoever). It would just be nice to see OpenGroupware in the hands of more people including people who might not be greatly skilled at handlin= g the vagaries of sys admin that requires patience such as when building OGo and SOPE and gnustep-make with mod_ngo for Apache. And for the doubters about the future of Apple and about Apple being influential, its clear from Paul Graham's Essay (Graham of Y Combinator startup company incubator and investment company) that Apple is well on its way to a rare comeback: http://www.paulgraham.com/microsoft.html The last nail in the coffin came, of all places, from Apple. Thanks to OS X= , > Apple has come back from the dead in a way that is extremely rare in > technology. [2 ] Their > victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a comput= er > running Windows. Nearly all the people we fund at Y Combinator use Apple > laptops. It was the same in the audience at startup school. > All the computer people use Macs or Linux now. Windows is for grandmas, l= ike > Macs used to be in the 90s. So not only does the desktop no longer matter= , > no one who cares about computers uses Microsoft's anyway. > > And of course Apple has Microsoft on the run in music too, with TV and > phones on the way. > > I'm glad Microsoft is dead. They were like Nero or Commodus=97evil in the > way only inherited power can make you. Because remember, the Microsoft > monopoly didn't begin with Microsoft. They got it from IBM. > So let's tag team Microsoft Exchange. How about a fund raiser to send Helge Hess and his core team of OGo musketeers to beautiful Cupertino, California to meet with Apple at their headquarters and do some further Microsoft coffin nailing! It would be a great way to come full circle considering tha= t OpenGroupware is possible due to the origins of NeXTSTEP and WebObjects :-) ------=_Part_36596_23248358.1177870231632 Content-Type: text/html; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hello all,

I'm pleased to report that I have just successfully b= uilt and installed OpenGroupware 1.1 from trunk (build 1934) with SOPE 4.6 = beta (containing gnustep-make 1.13) and with apache 2.2.4 on Mac OS X Serve= r=20 10.4.9

I am intentionally cross posting this message because the que= stions I have may not be related to OGo running on Mac OS X but I also don&= #39;t' see a lot of people posting about their Mac OS X experiences and= instead of people complaining about their experiences not working, how abo= ut being happy about something working and having some positive news for a = change?

The last time I built OGo was from version 1.1.6 yummy in August 20= 06 and using SOPE 4.5.9 alpha with gnustep-make 1.10, so I noticed a few te= eny tiny changes when running the web-ui, and thus the formation of my ques= tions:

1.) After starting web-ui, I noticed this new message:

Apr 29 17:32:38 ogo-we= bui-1.1 [4461]: SNS support disabled.

What is SNS?

2.) = After making the first connection to web-ui from a browser these messages a= ppear and are of interest:

Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> N= ote: no OGo documentation installed!

I wonder what mist= ake I made and where should the OGo documentation be installed? Am I missin= g a defaults entry perhaps? I didn't see anything special in my previou= s sys admin / OGo installation documentation about this from last year.

Apr 29 17= :35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> SP: (null)

What does SP with a null value mean? I

Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui= -1.1 [4461]: [ERROR] (116D116D014634D74A) did not find dockable page: 'Regi= stration'
Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SkyDock did not find= dockable page Registration

I also don't recall see= ing this error before. Any suggestions on what to do to alleviate the Regis= tration dockable page error?

Thank you tons,

Tabitha

P.S. I'd love to see the = core maintainers of OpenGroupware get together with Apple so that Apple wou= ld bundle OGo with Mac OS X Server in a future version such as Leopard like= they are doing for the CalDAV as part of their forthcoming new calendar se= rver in Leopard Server <=20 http= ://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html > which reads= excerpted:

Works well with others

iCal Server uses open calendaring protocols for integrating with leading calendaring programs including iCal 3 in Leopard, Mozilla's Sunbird, OSAF's Chandler and Microsoft Outlook. These open standard protocols include CalDAV =97 a set of extensions to WebDAV =97 and interchange formats such as iCalendar, iMIP, and iTIP.

Apple is a member of the CalConnect Consortium and is committed to open, standards-based calendaring and scheduling protocols. To further the widespread adoption and deployment of these calendaring standards, complete source code will be released to the open source community as part of the Darwin Calendar Server project, hosted on the opensource.apple.com<= /a> website

=09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09Yes Apple, and don't forget our friend OpeGroupware!
Apple is also incorporating Ruby on Rails http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard= /more.html which is free marketing for Rails (this is similar to what I'd lov= e to see Apple do with OpenGroupware):

Internet and Web

Leopard Server also features administration for either Apache 2.2 or 1.3, MySQL 5 with Apache/MySQL/PHP integration, JBoss 4, and Tomcat 5 for hosting EJB 3.0 and J2EE 1.4-compliant enterprise applications, and Ruby on Rails with Mongrel for simplified development and deployment of web-based applications.

=20 =09=09=09=09 =09=09=09=09If Apple bundled OpenGroupware with Leopard, it could bring a l= ot of momentum and wider adoption and therefore a more rich community of us= ers using OpenGroupware IMHO (note: this is nothing against OpenBSD, FreeBS= D, or Linux whatsoever). It would just be nice to see OpenGroupware in the = hands of more people including people who might not be greatly skilled at h= andling the vagaries of sys admin that requires patience such as when build= ing OGo and SOPE and gnustep-make with mod_ngo for Apache. And for the doub= ters about the future of Apple and about Apple being influential, its clear= from Paul Graham's Essay (Graham of Y Combinator startup company incub= ator and investment company) that Apple is well on its way to a rare comeba= ck:

http://www.pau= lgraham.com/microsoft.html

The last nail in the coffin came, of all = places, from Apple. =20 Thanks to OS X, Apple has come back from the dead in a way that is extremely rare in technology. [2] Their victory is so complete that I'm now surprised when I come across a computer running Windows. Nearly all the people we fund at Y Combinator use Apple laptops. It was the same in the audience at=20 startup school. All the computer people use Macs or Linux now. Windows is for grandmas, like Macs used to be in the 90s. So not only does the desktop no longer matter, no one who cares about computers uses Microsoft's anyway.

And= of course Apple has Microsoft on the run in music too, with TV and phones on the way.

I'm glad Microsoft is dead. They were like Nero or=20 Commodus=97evil in the way only inherited power can make you. Because remember, the Microsoft monopoly didn't begin with Microsoft. They got it from IBM.

So let's tag team Microsoft Exchan= ge. How about a fund raiser to send Helge Hess and his core team of OGo mus= keteers to beautiful Cupertino, California to meet with Apple at their head= quarters and do some further Microsoft coffin nailing! It would be a great = way to come full circle considering that OpenGroupware is possible due to t= he origins of NeXTSTEP and WebObjects :-)

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