[OGo-Users] Meaning of web-ui output (built from trunk build 1934 + SOPE 4.6 beta on Mac OS X successfully)
Tabitha McNerney
users@opengroupware.org
Sun, 29 Apr 2007 10:58:16 -1000
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On 4/29/07, Adam Tauno Williams <awilliam@whitemice.org> wrote:
>
> > I'm pleased to report that I have just successfully built and
> > installed OpenGroupware 1.1 from trunk (build 1934) with SOPE 4.6 beta
> > (containing gnustep-make 1.13) and with apache 2.2.4 on Mac OS X
> > Server 10.4.9
>
> Excellent! Congradulations.
Thanks a ton. It took some time to work this all out but I'm quite pleased
with it. I should note that I only tried on a PowerPC Mac but not yet an
Intel Mac (but the Intel attempt is next on my agenda).
>
> > I am intentionally cross posting this message because the questions I
>
> Uh oh! :) It is fine to post to multiple lists, if required, but you
> should post to each one separately. Cut-n-paste! :)
No problem, thanks for being nice today (I hope Helge won't be upset about
my cross posting today :-)
> have may not be related to OGo running on Mac OS X but I also don't'
> > see a lot of people posting about their Mac OS X experiences and
> > instead of people complaining about their experiences not working, how
> > about being happy about something working and having some positive
> > news for a change?
>
> :) Always a problem; people who have no problems keep silent, thus
> all problems seem exaggerated.
That is a good point. Rarely do people exert energy to proclaim good news or
to say "thanks".
>
> > The last time I built OGo was from version 1.1.6 yummy in August 2006
> > and using SOPE 4.5.9 alpha with gnustep-make 1.10, so I noticed a few
> > teeny tiny changes when running the web-ui, and thus the formation of
> > my questions:
> > 1.) After starting web-ui, I noticed this new message:
> > Apr 29 17:32:38 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SNS support disabled.
> > What is SNS?
>
> I believe this is the Skyrix load balancer, only included in the
> commercial distribution. You can ignore this.
Thanks for confirming that I can ignore this.
>
> > 2.) After making the first connection to web-ui from a browser these
> > messages appear and are of interest:
> > Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]:
> > <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> Note: no OGo documentation
> > installed!
> >
> Yep, I see this one too. No idea about what it means, beyond and
> obvious guess, but it doesn't affect anything.
Great to know this is inert.
> I wonder what mistake I made and where should the OGo documentation be
> > installed? Am I missing a defaults entry perhaps?
>
> I suspect it isn't 'installed' because it doesn't exist. :)
Umm yes, I guess that is obvious. Maybe this is a dumb question, but is
there a set of documents I should install for the OGo documentation that
will cause the Web UI to be happy and not complain?
> I didn't see anything special in my previous sys admin / OGo
> > installation documentation about this from last year.
> > Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]:
> > <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> SP: (null)
> > What does SP with a null value mean? I
> > Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: [ERROR]
> > (116D116D014634D74A) did not find dockable page:
> > 'Registration'
> > Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SkyDock did not find
> > dockable page Registration
>
> I think there was talk about creating a user registration system, to
> register you OGo instance, but it never went anywhere or got removed.
> >
> > I also don't recall seeing this error before. Any suggestions on what
> > to do to alleviate the Registration dockable page error?
>
> Ignore it.
Ok, ignore I shall do, thanks.
>
> > P.S. I'd love to see the core maintainers of OpenGroupware get
> > together with Apple so that Apple would bundle OGo with Mac OS X
>
> I'd love to see it included in openSUSE!?
That would also be sweet!
> Server in a future version such as Leopard like they are doing for
> > the CalDAV as part of their forthcoming new calendar server in Leopard
> > Server < http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html >
> > which reads excerpted:
>
> Yes, because the world needs yet-another-basic-functionality calender
> server. Ugh.
LOL!
>
> > Apple is also incorporating Ruby on Rails
> > http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/more.html which is free
> > marketing for Rails (this is similar to what I'd love to see Apple do
> > with OpenGroupware):
>
> Hey, Apple is all about the band wagon so of course they are
> incorporating nothing-to-see-here-please-move-along Ruby on Rails.
Quite true, its not as if Apple is innovating anything here and they are
getting sucked into the euphoria.
Sorry, couldn't restrain myself, just get really tired of the new
> *revolutionary* development platform of the year because some LAMPer
> finally discovered Model-View-Controller. Yawn.
LOL again! :-)
> If Apple bundled OpenGroupware with Leopard, it could bring a lot of
> > momentum and wider adoption and therefore a more rich community of
> > users using OpenGroupware IMHO (note: this is nothing against OpenBSD,
> > FreeBSD, or Linux whatsoever). It would just be nice to see
> > OpenGroupware in the hands of more people including people who might
> > not be greatly skilled at handling the vagaries of sys admin that
> > requires patience such as when building OGo and SOPE and gnustep-make
> > with mod_ngo for Apache.
>
> Well... as devil's advocate - OpenGroupware is a "groupware server".
> Individuals or little groups probably are legitimately not interested in
> such a solution. There are lots of people who don't "get" groupware;
> I'd imagine most of the people that do "get it" have a administrator or
> at least a consultant they can call.
That's also a good point. I imagine that some little groups who have plans
to scale and become a bigger group later could benefit but that would also
require these people to have a future vision to add people and grow their
business (there seem to be a lot of people in the world who lack this vision
but after reading Paul Graham's essays, it seems now is the best time in the
world to try and scale a business over the Internet and to use a great
product like OpenGroupware to connect people together from all over
planet!)
But of course I'd love to see in included in everything. :)
That would be nice. Thanks Adam for your helpful replies. I appreciate what
you, Helge and others who contribute to OGo are doing, and you have a lot of
energy as I notice you and Helge answer many questions on the lists (sorry
if I left other people out, its not intentional but rather I can only read
so much information before it comes info overload and I notice recently
mostly Adam and Helge but I know there are others too, just can't recall
their names at the moment).
--
> OpenGroupware.org Users
> users@opengroupware.org
> http://mail.opengroupware.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 4/29/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Adam Tauno Williams</b> <<a href="mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org">awilliam@whitemice.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> I'm pleased to report that I have just successfully built and<br>> installed OpenGroupware 1.1 from trunk (build 1934) with SOPE 4.6 beta<br>> (containing gnustep-make 1.13) and with apache 2.2.4 on Mac OS X
<br>> Server 10.4.9<br><br>Excellent! Congradulations.</blockquote><div><br>Thanks a ton. It took some time to work this all out but I'm quite pleased with it. I should note that I only tried on a PowerPC Mac but not yet an Intel Mac (but the Intel attempt is next on my agenda).
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> I am intentionally cross posting this message because the questions I
<br><br>Uh oh! :) It is fine to post to multiple lists, if required, but you<br>should post to each one separately. Cut-n-paste! :)</blockquote><div><br>No problem, thanks for being nice today (I hope Helge won't be upset about my cross posting today :-)
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> have may not be related to OGo running on Mac OS X but I also don't'
<br>> see a lot of people posting about their Mac OS X experiences and<br>> instead of people complaining about their experiences not working, how<br>> about being happy about something working and having some positive
<br>> news for a change?<br><br>:) Always a problem; people who have no problems keep silent, thus<br>all problems seem exaggerated.</blockquote><div><br>That is a good point. Rarely do people exert energy to proclaim good news or to say "thanks".
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> The last time I built OGo was from version 1.1.6 yummy in August 2006
<br>> and using SOPE 4.5.9 alpha with gnustep-make 1.10, so I noticed a few<br>> teeny tiny changes when running the web-ui, and thus the formation of<br>> my questions:<br>> 1.) After starting web-ui, I noticed this new message:
<br>> Apr 29 17:32:38 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SNS support disabled.<br>> What is SNS?<br><br>I believe this is the Skyrix load balancer, only included in the<br>commercial distribution. You can ignore this.</blockquote>
<div><br><br>Thanks for confirming that I can ignore this.<br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> 2.) After making the first connection to web-ui from a browser these
<br>> messages appear and are of interest:<br>> Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]:<br>> <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> Note: no OGo documentation<br>> installed!<br>><br>Yep, I see this one too. No idea about what it means, beyond and
<br>obvious guess, but it doesn't affect anything.</blockquote><div><br>Great to know this is inert. <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> I wonder what mistake I made and where should the OGo documentation be<br>> installed? Am I missing a defaults entry perhaps?<br><br>I suspect it isn't 'installed' because it doesn't exist. :)</blockquote>
<div><br>Umm yes, I guess that is obvious. Maybe this is a dumb question, but is there a set of documents I should install for the OGo documentation that will cause the Web UI to be happy and not complain?<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> I didn't see anything special in my previous sys admin / OGo<br>> installation documentation about this from last year.<br>> Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]:<br>> <0x0x2f5aa40[OGoHelpManager]> SP: (null)
<br>> What does SP with a null value mean? I<br>> Apr 29 17:35:06 ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: [ERROR]<br>> (116D116D014634D74A) did not find dockable page:<br>> 'Registration'<br>> Apr 29 17:35:06
ogo-webui-1.1 [4461]: SkyDock did not find<br>> dockable page Registration<br><br>I think there was talk about creating a user registration system, to<br>register you OGo instance, but it never went anywhere or got removed.
<br>><br>> I also don't recall seeing this error before. Any suggestions on what<br>> to do to alleviate the Registration dockable page error?<br><br>Ignore it.</blockquote><div><br>Ok, ignore I shall do, thanks.
<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> P.S. I'd love to see the core maintainers of OpenGroupware get
<br>> together with Apple so that Apple would bundle OGo with Mac OS X<br><br>I'd love to see it included in openSUSE!?</blockquote><div><br>That would also be sweet!<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> Server in a future version such as Leopard like they are doing for<br>> the CalDAV as part of their forthcoming new calendar server in Leopard<br>> Server < <a href="http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html">
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/icalserver.html</a> ><br>> which reads excerpted:<br><br>Yes, because the world needs yet-another-basic-functionality calender<br>server. Ugh.</blockquote><div><br>LOL!<br>
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">><br>> Apple is also incorporating Ruby on Rails<br>> <a href="http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/more.html">
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/leopard/more.html</a> which is free<br>> marketing for Rails (this is similar to what I'd love to see Apple do<br>> with OpenGroupware):<br><br>Hey, Apple is all about the band wagon so of course they are
<br>incorporating nothing-to-see-here-please-move-along Ruby on Rails.</blockquote><div><br>Quite true, its not as if Apple is innovating anything here and they are getting sucked into the euphoria.<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Sorry, couldn't restrain myself, just get really tired of the new<br>*revolutionary* development platform of the year because some LAMPer<br>finally discovered Model-View-Controller. Yawn.</blockquote><div><br>LOL again! :-)
<br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> If Apple bundled OpenGroupware with Leopard, it could bring a lot of<br>> momentum and wider adoption and therefore a more rich community of
<br>> users using OpenGroupware IMHO (note: this is nothing against OpenBSD,<br>> FreeBSD, or Linux whatsoever). It would just be nice to see<br>> OpenGroupware in the hands of more people including people who might
<br>> not be greatly skilled at handling the vagaries of sys admin that<br>> requires patience such as when building OGo and SOPE and gnustep-make<br>> with mod_ngo for Apache.<br><br>Well... as devil's advocate - OpenGroupware is a "groupware server".
<br>Individuals or little groups probably are legitimately not interested in<br>such a solution. There are lots of people who don't "get" groupware;<br>I'd imagine most of the people that do "get it" have a administrator or
<br>at least a consultant they can call.</blockquote><div><br>That's also a good point. I imagine that some little groups who have plans to scale and become a bigger group later could benefit but that would also require these people to have a future vision to add people and grow their business (there seem to be a lot of people in the world who lack this vision but after reading Paul Graham's essays, it seems now is the best time in the world to try and scale a business over the Internet and to use a great product like OpenGroupware to connect people together from all over planet!)
</div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">But of course I'd love to see in included in everything. :)</blockquote><div><br>
That would be nice. Thanks Adam for your helpful replies. I appreciate what you, Helge and others who contribute to OGo are doing, and you have a lot of energy as I notice you and Helge answer many questions on the lists (sorry if I left other people out, its not intentional but rather I can only read so much information before it comes info overload and I notice recently mostly Adam and Helge but I know there are others too, just can't recall their names at the moment).
<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">--<br>OpenGroupware.org Users<br><a href="mailto:users@opengroupware.org">users@opengroupware.org
</a><br><a href="http://mail.opengroupware.org/mailman/listinfo/users">http://mail.opengroupware.org/mailman/listinfo/users</a><br></blockquote></div><br>
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