From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 11:19:27 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Samuli_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:19:27 +0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in Starthour, Endhour and
 Interval pull-down menus
Message-ID: <4729B63F.3080706@tietoteema.fi>

Hello all,

I'm using OGo 1.1.7 packages for CentOS4 and I'm having some trouble 
with calendar preferences. The error was present in nearly vanilla rpm 
installation (no templates modified, no translations etc.)

I posted a screenshot about this problem at

http://users.utu.fi/sjsepp/Nil.png

so that you can see what's going on. If you click on any of the 
Starthour, Endhour or Interval pull-down menus, all choices are marked 
as "<nil>". It seems as if the translations are missing, but I can't 
find out which.

I've been mainly using my own Finnish translation for OGo 1.1.7. This is 
not however a translation issue as I've tested that same thing happens 
with German and English. My own translation is also checked for any 
errors and missing strings with automated scripts.

Nothing useful is logged to  
/var/log/opengroupware/ogo-webui-1.1-err.log or ogo-webui-1.1-out.log 
when I try to change the Starthour/Endhour/Interval values. Stracing 
ogo-webui-1.1 at the same time does not give any useful information. I 
suppose the translations are already in memory so there's no need for 
system calls. I also tried to add all the necessary "translations" (like 
08="09:00") to _every_ .strings -file in the translation project 
directory - just in case. Did not work either.

Any ideas how to debug this problem further? This problem is rather 
annoying, because currently you can't really change the calendar 
start/end hours.

Thanks in advance,

Samuli Seppänen

From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 13:30:12 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:30:12 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in Starthour, Endhour andInterval pull-down menus
Message-ID: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

Hi Samuli,

as far as I know, this was a known bug, and should be fixed in latest trunk 
versions. Anybody can confirm that, or not?

Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 13:48:36 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 09:48:36 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in
 Starthour, Endhour andInterval pull-down menus
In-Reply-To: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
Message-ID: <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> as far as I know, this was a known bug, and should be fixed in latest tru=
nk=20
> versions. Anybody can confirm that, or not?

It works for me.  My production server is r2035,

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From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 14:06:36 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Samuli_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:06:36 +0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in  Starthour,
 Endhour andInterval pull-down menus
In-Reply-To: <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>

Thanks Adam and Sebastian!

I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if 
updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the 
selection from preferences.

Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version 
and some released version like 1.1.7? Or are the releases just snapshots 
of the trunk?

Samuli
>> as far as I know, this was a known bug, and should be fixed in latest trunk 
>> versions. Anybody can confirm that, or not?
>>     
>
> It works for me.  My production server is r2035,
>   


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 14:20:36 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 10:20:36 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in
 Starthour, Endhour andInterval pull-down menus
In-Reply-To: <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
 <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>
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> I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if=20
> updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the=20
> selection from preferences.
> Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version=20
> and some released version like 1.1.7?=20

Bug fixes. :)  Depends on what features you use, but there are no
radical differences.

> Or are the releases just snapshots of the trunk?

Effectively, yes;  but I think someone does some testing on "released"
versions.


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From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 15:02:45 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (=?ISO-8859-15?Q?Samuli_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:02:45 +0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Backporting and contributing bugfixes to released OGo version(s)
In-Reply-To: <1193926836.4608.21.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>	 <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>	 <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi> <1193926836.4608.21.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi>

Adam Tauno Williams ha scritto:
>> I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if 
>> updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the 
>> selection from preferences.
>> Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version 
>> and some released version like 1.1.7? 
>>     
>
> Bug fixes. :)  Depends on what features you use, but there are no
> radical differences.
>   
Ok, that's what I though. We've conventionally used the released 
versions for maximum stability. Now we are in the process of building 
our own OGo development environment to backport bugfixes from the trunk 
to the released versions of OGo (currently 1.1.7).

How can we contribute these forthcoming bugfixes back to 1.1.7 branch 
and/or the trunk? We'd rather not spend unnecessary time maintaining 
private bugfixes... is it possible to get svn commit rights or should we 
just create bugreports and attach our patches there?

Best regards,

Samuli Seppänen


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 15:06:47 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:06:47 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in  Starthour,Endhour andInterval pull-down menus
Message-ID: <20071101150647.A029A3E0C6@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

users@opengroupware.org wrote: 
> Thanks Adam and Sebastian!
> 
> I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if 
> updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the 
> selection from preferences.
> 
> Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version 
> and some released version like 1.1.7? Or are the releases just snapshots 
> of the trunk?
the 1.1.X releases are snapshots of the trunk packages, there shouldn't be 
no differences.

Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 15:12:42 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:12:42 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] Backporting and contributing bugfixes to released
 OGo version(s)
In-Reply-To: <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
 <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>
 <1193926836.4608.21.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi>
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> >> I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if=20
> >> updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the=20
> >> selection from preferences.
> >> Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version=20
> >> and some released version like 1.1.7?=20
> > Bug fixes. :)  Depends on what features you use, but there are no
> > radical differences.
> Ok, that's what I though. We've conventionally used the released=20
> versions for maximum stability. Now we are in the process of building=20
> our own OGo development environment to backport bugfixes from the trunk=20
> to the released versions of OGo (currently 1.1.7).
> How can we contribute these forthcoming bugfixes back to 1.1.7 branch=20
> and/or the trunk? We'd rather not spend unnecessary time maintaining=20
> private bugfixes...=20

Of course.

> is it possible to get svn commit rights or should we=20
> just create bugreports and attach our patches there?

Everything should go through bugzilla;  if you upload patches I'll get
an email (usually).  I try to do my best in verifying and committing
patches.  If you submit a patch and don't hear anything for awhile feel
free to rattle my chain @ awilliam@whitemiceconsulting.com

Also there is the OGo-Devel list for development / hacking related
questions.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 15:59:20 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Ben Trafford)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 11:59:20 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] Can't connect to OGO.
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101115441.03e629c8@prodigal.ca>

	I'm on CentOS 4.5 and Apache 2.0.59, using the OGo CentOS 4.3 
packages, which I couldn't install via yum, but managed to install using rpm.

	I -seem- to have everything running, but I have two problems:

	1) OGo seems to want to take up all of Apache. I've tried various 
.conf file configurations, and none seem to want to just have it 
operate as its own subdirectory of the site.

	2) When I start OGo, I get the following error message in my Apache log --

[error] connect to application instance failed, tried 3 times.


	Here's my ogo.conf file --


LoadModule ngobjweb_module /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ngobjweb.so

SetHandler ngobjweb-adaptor
SetAppPort 20000

Alias /OpenGroupware10.woa/WebServerResources/ 
/usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-1.0/www
<Directory /usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-1.0/www/>
         Order allow,deny
         Allow from all
</Directory>

SetHandler ngobjweb-adaptor
SetAppPort 23000


	Help!

--->Ben	


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 16:18:08 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 17:18:08 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Can't connect to OGO.
Message-ID: <20071101161808.E6A323DEDC@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

> 
> 
> LoadModule ngobjweb_module /etc/httpd/modules/mod_ngobjweb.so
> 
> SetHandler ngobjweb-adaptor
> SetAppPort 20000
> 
> Alias /OpenGroupware10.woa/WebServerResources/ 
> /usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-1.0/www
> <Directory /usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-1.0/www/>
>          Order allow,deny
>          Allow from all
> </Directory>
> 
> SetHandler ngobjweb-adaptor
> SetAppPort 23000
> 
> 
I am not sure about the ogo.conf file for apache, but mine looks like this:

# configuration needed to access the OGo webui
#
# explicitly allow access
<DirectoryMatch /usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-([0-9a-zA-Z]{1}).
([0-9a-zA-Z]{1,})/www>
  Order allow,deny
  Allow from all
</DirectoryMatch>
# required aliases
AliasMatch ^/OpenGroupware([0-9a-zA-Z]{1})([0-9a-zA-Z]
{1,})\.woa/WebServerResources/(.*)           
/usr/local/share/opengroupware.org-$1.
$2/www/$3
Alias /ArticleImages /var/lib/opengroupware.org/news
#
# hook up
<IfModule ngobjweb_module.c>
  <LocationMatch ^/OpenGroupware*>
    SetAppPort 20000
    SetHandler ngobjweb-adaptor
  </LocationMatch>
</IfModule>


also, does you ogo-webui instance is running and listening on port 20000?

kind regards
Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 16:29:43 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Ben Trafford)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 12:29:43 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] Can't connect to OGO.
In-Reply-To: <20071101161808.E6A323DEDC@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
References: <20071101161808.E6A323DEDC@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20071101122918.04407008@prodigal.ca>

At 12:18 PM 11/1/2007, Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
>also, does you ogo-webui instance is running and listening on port 20000?

         It was, yep. Your .conf file fixed my problem handily. Thanks!

--->Ben 


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 20:02:29 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Micheas Herman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 13:02:29 -0700
Subject: [OGo-Users] amd64 debian build issues.
Message-ID: <1193947350.25113.19.camel@io.sf.greencampaigns.com>

I am trying to install opengroupware on an amd64 debian install

wget 
http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/opengroupware-1.0.0-finally/source/opengroupware.org-1.0.0-finally-r1862.tar.gz


tar -xzf opengroupware.org-1.0.0-finally-r1862.tar.gz

cd opengroupware.org

dpkg-buildpackage -b 

produces the following error:



gcc PPSyncContext.m -c \
              -MMD -MP -Wall
-I/usr/System/Library/Headers/libFoundation/x86_64/linux-gnu/GNU
-DGNUSTEP=1 -DWITH_GSTEP_MAKE=1 -DLIB_FOUNDATION_LIBRARY=1
-DFD_WITH_GSMAKE=1 -DGNUSTEP=1 -DGNU_RUNTIME=1 -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -g
-Wall -DDEBUG -fno-omit-frame-pointer -DGSWARN -DGSDIAGNOSE -Wno-import
-O0 -fno-strict-aliasing -fexceptions -fobjc-exceptions
-D_NATIVE_OBJC_EXCEPTIONS -fgnu-runtime -I/usr/include/libpisock -I..
-I../libpisock -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include
-I/root/opengroupware.org/Library/Headers/libFoundation
-I/usr/local/include/libFoundation -I/usr/local/include/libFoundation
-I/usr/include/libFoundation
-I/root/opengroupware.org/Library/Headers/libFoundation/./GNU
-I/usr/local/include/libFoundation/./GNU
-I/usr/local/include/libFoundation/./GNU
-I/usr/include/libFoundation/./GNU \
               -o obj/PPSyncContext.o
PPSyncContext.m:221:16: warning: multi-character character constant
PPSyncContext.m:223:12: warning: multi-character character constant
PPSyncContext.m:224:12: warning: multi-character character constant
PPSyncContext.m:225:12: warning: multi-character character constant
PPSyncContext.m:226:12: warning: multi-character character constant
PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext readAppBlockOfDatabase:]':
PPSyncContext.m:529: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadAppBlock'
makes integer from pointer without a cast
PPSyncContext.m:529: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadAppBlock'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
readSortBlockOfDatabase:]':
PPSyncContext.m:557: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadSortBlock'
makes integer from pointer without a cast
PPSyncContext.m:557: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadSortBlock'
makes pointer from integer without a cast
PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext databaseNamed:]':
PPSyncContext.m:631: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadDBList'
from incompatible pointer type
PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
readRecordIDsOfDatabase:]':
PPSyncContext.m:898: warning: conflicting types for '-(NSArray
*)readRecordIDsOfDatabase:(PPDatabase *)_db'
PPSyncContext.h:133: warning: previous declaration of '-(NSArray
*)readRecordIDsOfDatabase:(PPRecordDatabase *)_db'
PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
fetchRecordByID:fromDatabase:attributes:category:]':
PPSyncContext.m:974: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadRecordById'
from incompatible pointer type
PPSyncContext.m:974: error: too many arguments to function
'dlp_ReadRecordById'
make[4]: *** [obj/PPSyncContext.o] Error 1
make[3]: *** [libPPSync.all.library.variables] Error 2
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org/PDA/PPSync'
make[2]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory
`/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org/PDA'
make[1]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org'
make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2


Any idea of what I need to do to patch it so that it will build?

opengroupware 1.1 is not an option until libfoundation1.1 is available
for amd64. (I have built it a couple times, but I have never been able
to get the dependencies correct, so it will not install. (parts are
dependent on libfoundation1.0 and libfoundation1.0 conflicts with
libfoundation1.1.)





-- 


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 20:51:28 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:51:28 -0400
Subject: [OGo-Users] amd64 debian build issues.
In-Reply-To: <1193947350.25113.19.camel@io.sf.greencampaigns.com>
References: <1193947350.25113.19.camel@io.sf.greencampaigns.com>
Message-ID: <1193950288.4698.4.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> I am trying to install opengroupware on an amd64 debian install
> wget=20
> http://download.opengroupware.org/releases/stable/opengroupware-1.0.0-fin=
ally/source/opengroupware.org-1.0.0-finally-r1862.tar.gz
> tar -xzf opengroupware.org-1.0.0-finally-r1862.tar.gz
> cd opengroupware.org
> dpkg-buildpackage -b=20
> produces the following error:
> gcc PPSyncContext.m -c \
>               -MMD -MP -Wall
> -I/usr/System/Library/Headers/libFoundation/x86_64/linux-gnu/GNU
> -DGNUSTEP=3D1 -DWITH_GSTEP_MAKE=3D1 -DLIB_FOUNDATION_LIBRARY=3D1
> -DFD_WITH_GSMAKE=3D1 -DGNUSTEP=3D1 -DGNU_RUNTIME=3D1 -D_REENTRANT -fPIC -=
g
> -Wall -DDEBUG -fno-omit-frame-pointer -DGSWARN -DGSDIAGNOSE -Wno-import
> -O0 -fno-strict-aliasing -fexceptions -fobjc-exceptions
> -D_NATIVE_OBJC_EXCEPTIONS -fgnu-runtime -I/usr/include/libpisock -I..
> -I../libpisock -I. -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include
> -I/root/opengroupware.org/Library/Headers/libFoundation
> -I/usr/local/include/libFoundation -I/usr/local/include/libFoundation
> -I/usr/include/libFoundation
> -I/root/opengroupware.org/Library/Headers/libFoundation/./GNU
> -I/usr/local/include/libFoundation/./GNU
> -I/usr/local/include/libFoundation/./GNU
> -I/usr/include/libFoundation/./GNU \
>                -o obj/PPSyncContext.o
> PPSyncContext.m:221:16: warning: multi-character character constant
> PPSyncContext.m:223:12: warning: multi-character character constant
> PPSyncContext.m:224:12: warning: multi-character character constant
> PPSyncContext.m:225:12: warning: multi-character character constant
> PPSyncContext.m:226:12: warning: multi-character character constant
> PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext readAppBlockOfDatabase:]':
> PPSyncContext.m:529: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadAppBlock'
> makes integer from pointer without a cast
> PPSyncContext.m:529: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadAppBlock'
> makes pointer from integer without a cast
> PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
> readSortBlockOfDatabase:]':
> PPSyncContext.m:557: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadSortBlock'
> makes integer from pointer without a cast
> PPSyncContext.m:557: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadSortBlock'
> makes pointer from integer without a cast
> PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext databaseNamed:]':
> PPSyncContext.m:631: warning: passing argument 5 of 'dlp_ReadDBList'
> from incompatible pointer type
> PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
> readRecordIDsOfDatabase:]':
> PPSyncContext.m:898: warning: conflicting types for '-(NSArray
> *)readRecordIDsOfDatabase:(PPDatabase *)_db'
> PPSyncContext.h:133: warning: previous declaration of '-(NSArray
> *)readRecordIDsOfDatabase:(PPRecordDatabase *)_db'
> PPSyncContext.m: In function '-[PPSyncContext
> fetchRecordByID:fromDatabase:attributes:category:]':
> PPSyncContext.m:974: warning: passing argument 4 of 'dlp_ReadRecordById'
> from incompatible pointer type
> PPSyncContext.m:974: error: too many arguments to function
> 'dlp_ReadRecordById'
> make[4]: *** [obj/PPSyncContext.o] Error 1
> make[3]: *** [libPPSync.all.library.variables] Error 2
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org/PDA/PPSync'
> make[2]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory
> `/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org/PDA'
> make[1]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/opengroupware/opengroupware.org'
> make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2
> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2
> Any idea of what I need to do to patch it so that it will build?

My advise is to "./configure --without-pisock" which will then not
attempt to compile the Pilot components.  pilot-link vs. current Palms,
and the various versions of pilot-link is kind of a mess.
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1638
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1811

> opengroupware 1.1 is not an option until libfoundation1.1 is available
> for amd64. (I have built it a couple times, but I have never been able
> to get the dependencies correct, so it will not install. (parts are
> dependent on libfoundation1.0 and libfoundation1.0 conflicts with
> libfoundation1.1.)

Eh, parts of libFoundation 1.1 are dependent on libFoundation 1.0?  I'm
certain this is not true.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov  1 21:02:57 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Micheas Herman)
Date: Thu, 01 Nov 2007 14:02:57 -0700
Subject: [OGo-Users] amd64 debian build issues.
In-Reply-To: <1193950288.4698.4.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <1193947350.25113.19.camel@io.sf.greencampaigns.com>
 <1193950288.4698.4.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <1193950977.25113.26.camel@io.sf.greencampaigns.com>

On Thu, 2007-11-01 at 16:51 -0400, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

<snip>

> > Any idea of what I need to do to patch it so that it will build?
> 
> My advise is to "./configure --without-pisock" which will then not
> attempt to compile the Pilot components.  pilot-link vs. current Palms,
> and the various versions of pilot-link is kind of a mess.
> http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1638
> http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1811

        Thanks Adam. I'll try that.

> 
> > opengroupware 1.1 is not an option until libfoundation1.1 is available
> > for amd64. (I have built it a couple times, but I have never been able
> > to get the dependencies correct, so it will not install. (parts are
> > dependent on libfoundation1.0 and libfoundation1.0 conflicts with
> > libfoundation1.1.)
> 
> Eh, parts of libFoundation 1.1 are dependent on libFoundation 1.0?  I'm
> certain this is not true.

        But it is true for the debs produced by dpkg-buildpackage from
        the source that I downloaded. Needless to say they don't install
        properly. I will look at what went wrong with the building the
        libfoundation1.1 debs at some point, but this seems closer to
        building. libfoundatation1.1-data-noarch.deb was dependent on
        libfoundation1.0 IIRC. 

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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov  5 08:40:53 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Samuli_Sepp=E4nen?=)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 10:40:53 +0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Backporting and contributing bugfixes to released
 OGo version(s)
In-Reply-To: <1193929962.4608.28.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>	 <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>	 <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>	 <1193926836.4608.21.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>	 <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi> <1193929962.4608.28.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <472ED715.7070606@tietoteema.fi>

>> is it possible to get svn commit rights or should we 
>> just create bugreports and attach our patches there?
> 
> Everything should go through bugzilla;  if you upload patches I'll get
> an email (usually).  I try to do my best in verifying and committing
> patches.  If you submit a patch and don't hear anything for awhile feel
> free to rattle my chain @ awilliam@whitemiceconsulting.com
> 
> Also there is the OGo-Devel list for development / hacking related
> questions.

Ok, thanks! I'll join the dev mailinglist and create patches from our 
custom fixes.

Samuli

From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov  5 13:40:32 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 05 Nov 2007 08:40:32 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] Backporting and contributing bugfixes to released
 OGo version(s)
In-Reply-To: <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi>
References: <20071101133014.4D3E23E19A@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
 <1193924916.4608.6.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <4729DD6C.3030500@tietoteema.fi>
 <1193926836.4608.21.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <4729EA95.3080801@tietoteema.fi>
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> >> I am using r1987, so I guess the bug is in that version. I'll see if=20
> >> updating to trunk version is possible. Otherwise I'll just remove the=20
> >> selection from preferences.
> >> Btw. is there really any difference between the current trunk version=20
> >> and some released version like 1.1.7?=20
> > Bug fixes. :)  Depends on what features you use, but there are no
> > radical differences.
> Ok, that's what I though. We've conventionally used the released=20
> versions for maximum stability. Now we are in the process of building=20
> our own OGo development environment to backport bugfixes from the trunk=20
> to the released versions of OGo (currently 1.1.7).

FYI, you could probably diff 1.1.7 and TRUNK and just bring 1.1.7 up to
TRUNK if you wanted - but then you'd really be using trunk. :)

I've committed most of the patches between 1.1.7 and now, and I can
assure you there is probably nothing you don't want.  The bulk of the
patches have been to zOGI, which if you don't use doesn't affect you.
Beyond that the only *feature* update I can recall is adding qualifiers
AND/OR to the project document search form,  which was a pretty minor
change  (and a change to the sky account CLI tool, but very minor).

If stability is your primary concern probably the one you want to test
most is the change to LSDateAssignmentCommand since changes to Logic
obviously has the most far reaching consequences.  (but we've been
heavily using a version with that change in production for awhile can
haven't had any problems we've noticed since r2036).

see:
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1915
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3D1922

> How can we contribute these forthcoming bugfixes back to 1.1.7 branch=20
> and/or the trunk? We'd rather not spend unnecessary time maintaining=20
> private bugfixes... is it possible to get svn commit rights or should we=20
> just create bugreports and attach our patches there?


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From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov  6 13:39:15 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2007 08:39:15 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] New WMOGAG Edition (Revision K)
Message-ID: <1194356355.4980.3.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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I've uploaded a new version of WMOGAG to the docs plone.
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view

* Fixed numerous typos
  - Please if you find a typo or grammitcal error, or just a completely
smashed sentance or paragraph, let me know. :)
* Debugging=20
  + SoDebugObjectTraversal is documentented.
* Architecture - New chapter! =20
  + Starts to explain the OpenGroupware architecture and how all the
pieces fit together.   Explains (to some degree) "Bundles" from a
"No-I-haven't-been-a-NextSTEP-programmer-since-1994" perspective.
Currently most of the content is about what the the database "model"
does and the Logic "commands".
* ZideStore
  + Detailed section on the URLs available via ZideStore. =20
  + A section on cadaver and exploring ZideStore with cadaver. =20
  + A little HOWTO on developing a simple ZideStore bundle.  This is a
work in process as documentation is *SPARSE*.
* Small updates to various other sections.

As always comments, recommendations, etc... are appreciated.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov  7 20:40:02 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2007 21:40:02 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Preferences -> Calendar shows only <nil> in Starthour, Endhour and Interval pull-down menus
In-Reply-To: <4729B63F.3080706@tietoteema.fi>
References: <4729B63F.3080706@tietoteema.fi>
Message-ID: <5EC5E3EA-673D-4235-8CB1-3D2F882019F0@opengroupware.org>

On 01.11.2007, at 12:19, Samuli Sepp=E4nen wrote:
> so that you can see what's going on. If you click on any of the =20
> Starthour, Endhour or Interval pull-down menus, all choices are =20
> marked as "<nil>". It seems as if the translations are missing, but =20=

> I can't find out which.

I've seen that too (in either English or German, not sure), it needs =20
to be checked.

Thanks,
   Helge
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http://www.helgehess.eu/



From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov  9 14:43:33 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:43:33 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Progress on Bug 1719 ?
Message-ID: <47347215.7050005@cgv.tugraz.at>

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Hi!

I want to install trunk .deb builds on my Debian etch/sid system for let
the system run to test lightning CalDAV-access on OGo.
But that bug hits me bad and I don't want to compile OGo on my own nor
built my own packages.
Any chance for that bug 1719 to be resolved in near future?

MfG,
Lars Schimmer
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From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov  9 14:17:46 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Mark Asbach)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:17:46 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] iCal / Leopard and oGo
Message-ID: <0D5921BD-B0F1-4303-BF28-8460A2331BF9@ient.rwth-aachen.de>

Hi there,

we have deployed oGo on a ubuntu edgy machine for our chair. This =20
means about 20 users with various different clients. In the past, most =20=

people used Apple iCal subscriptions, some used Outlook (zidelook =20
plugin), two use kontact. Obviously kontact as available in ubuntu =20
edgy but also newer doesn't really feature a working GroupDAV / CalDAV =20=

backend - we could only get it to work as read-only subscribing =20
iCalendar files (as the old Apple iCal). Now two users including me =20
have upgraded to Mac OS X Leopard and we hoped that we could now =20
finally use read/write access to oGo calendars. However, this seems to =20=

be not fully working:

- It looks like I have to create accounts for every group that I want =20=

to access (?)
- Creating an appointment works, moving or deleting it doesn't: =20
'ghost' copies remain until I delete them via web interface
- Availability of other users can't be checked from iCal

Is there a way to help ruling out these compatibility problems?

Yours, Mark

--=20
Mark Asbach
Institut f=FCr Nachrichtentechnik, RWTH Aachen University
http://www.ient.rwth-aachen.de/cms/team/m_asbach



From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov  9 15:31:46 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:31:46 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] Progress on Bug 1719 ?
In-Reply-To: <47347215.7050005@cgv.tugraz.at>
References: <47347215.7050005@cgv.tugraz.at>
Message-ID: <1194622306.5536.9.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> I want to install trunk .deb builds on my Debian etch/sid system for let
> the system run to test lightning CalDAV-access on OGo.
> But that bug hits me bad and I don't want to compile OGo on my own nor
> built my own packages.

You only need to build mod_ngobjweb.  It is quite simple.  The script at
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/attachment.cgi?id=3D458&action=
=3Dview should fix it up for you.


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From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 00:44:34 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Ken Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 00:44:34 -0000
Subject: [OGo-Users] IMAP Configuration
Message-ID: <000001c82332$df33f3c0$fa0010ac@kenslt2>

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Could someone point me to where a users IMAP settings are stored so I can
change them.=20

=20

Earlier I configured the Dovecot IMAP server that is on the LAN.
Unfortunately trying to access that server crashes OGo. I now have a local
Cyrus server set up. I have tested it with a new user and it works. I=92d l=
ike
to change the original users settings without crashing the server by going
to that users setup.=20

=20

Thanks in advance

=20

Ken


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span lang=3DEN-GB style=
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10.0pt'>Earlier I configured the Dovecot IMAP server that is on the LAN.
Unfortunately trying to access that server crashes OGo. I now have a local
Cyrus server set up. I have tested it with a new user and it works. I=92d
like to change the original users settings without crashing the server by g=
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to that users setup. </span></font></p>

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From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 01:21:28 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2007 20:21:28 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] IMAP Configuration
In-Reply-To: <000001c82332$df33f3c0$fa0010ac@kenslt2>
References: <000001c82332$df33f3c0$fa0010ac@kenslt2>
Message-ID: <20071109202128.v43flibpcwo4kcwc@www.mormail.com>

> Could someone point me to where a users IMAP settings are stored so I can
> change them.

User preferences/defaults are stored in plist files in the OGo  
document root with a name of {account#}.defaults.

It is probably better just to set
UseSkyrixLoginForImap = YES
imap_host =
imap_port =
imap_host_editable  = NO
- then the users won't be prompted for an IMAP server but jsut sent to  
the one defined.


From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 07:12:52 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Ken Smith)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 07:12:52 +0000
Subject: [OGo-Users] IMAP Configuration
In-Reply-To: <20071109202128.v43flibpcwo4kcwc@www.mormail.com>
References: <000001c82332$df33f3c0$fa0010ac@kenslt2> <20071109202128.v43flibpcwo4kcwc@www.mormail.com>
Message-ID: <473559F4.9010805@kensnet.org>

Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> Could someone point me to where a users IMAP settings are stored so I 
>> can
>> change them.
>
> User preferences/defaults are stored in plist files in the OGo 
> document root with a name of {account#}.defaults.
>
> It is probably better just to set
> UseSkyrixLoginForImap = YES
> imap_host =
> imap_port =
> imap_host_editable  = NO
> - then the users won't be prompted for an IMAP server but jsut sent to 
> the one defined.
>
That just the info I needed - thank you

:-)

Ken

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From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 14:04:58 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 15:04:58 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Problem with database...
Message-ID: <4735BA8A.1090301@cgv.tugraz.at>

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Hi!

OK, build the apache2 adaptor module.

Now I get the "cannot connect to database" error.
Database exist, I can connect with psql, the NSGlobalDomain looks well,
and PostgreSQL 8.2 tells me in logfile:
- -11-10 15:58:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9 wird
nicht unterstützt
2007-11-10 15:59:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
wird nicht unterstützt
2007-11-10 16:00:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
wird nicht unterstützt

(translation LATIN1-LATIN9 is not supported).

Known error?
Is postgresql 8.2 not supported til yet?

MfG,
Lars Schimmer
- --
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TU Graz, Institut für ComputerGraphik & WissensVisualisierung
Tel: +43 316 873-5405       E-Mail: l.schimmer@cgv.tugraz.at
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From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 14:50:02 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 09:50:02 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] Problem with database...
In-Reply-To: <4735BA8A.1090301@cgv.tugraz.at>
References: <4735BA8A.1090301@cgv.tugraz.at>
Message-ID: <1194706202.4889.2.camel@localhost>

> OK, build the apache2 adaptor module.
> Now I get the "cannot connect to database" error.
> Database exist, I can connect with psql, the NSGlobalDomain looks well,
> and PostgreSQL 8.2 tells me in logfile:
> - -11-10 15:58:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9 wird
> nicht unterstützt
> 2007-11-10 15:59:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
> wird nicht unterstützt
> 2007-11-10 16:00:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
> wird nicht unterstützt
> (translation LATIN1-LATIN9 is not supported).
> Known error?
> Is postgresql 8.2 not supported til yet?

I haven't heavily tested OGo on 8.2;  but on my laptop it connects and
works with 8.2.4 (openSUSE 10.3).   Is your database in LATIN1 or UTF8?
Current versions of OGo use UTF8,  and using a LATIN1 database can cause
errors.  See the FAQ section of the PostgreSQL chapter of WMOGAG.

http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view


From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 10 18:14:31 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2007 19:14:31 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Problem with database...
In-Reply-To: <1194706202.4889.2.camel@localhost>
References: <4735BA8A.1090301@cgv.tugraz.at> <1194706202.4889.2.camel@localhost>
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Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>> OK, build the apache2 adaptor module.
>> Now I get the "cannot connect to database" error.
>> Database exist, I can connect with psql, the NSGlobalDomain looks well,
>> and PostgreSQL 8.2 tells me in logfile:
>> - -11-10 15:58:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9 wird
>> nicht unterstützt
>> 2007-11-10 15:59:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
>> wird nicht unterstützt
>> 2007-11-10 16:00:34 CET FATAL:  Umwandlung zwischen LATIN1 und LATIN9
>> wird nicht unterstützt
>> (translation LATIN1-LATIN9 is not supported).
>> Known error?
>> Is postgresql 8.2 not supported til yet?
> 
> I haven't heavily tested OGo on 8.2;  but on my laptop it connects and
> works with 8.2.4 (openSUSE 10.3).   Is your database in LATIN1 or UTF8?
> Current versions of OGo use UTF8,  and using a LATIN1 database can cause
> errors.  See the FAQ section of the PostgreSQL chapter of WMOGAG.
> 
> http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view
> 

Thx!
That was the missing link.
As I just created the new OGo, I just dropped old database, created new
one and replayed the database schema (that part is mising in that pdf).
Now my "new" OGo is running on latest debian etch.
It´s just a testing platform for the main developer of lightning to test
CalDAV with svn builts of OGo.


MfG,
Lars Schimmer
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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 12 00:12:00 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 19:12:00 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] iCal / Leopard and oGo
In-Reply-To: <0D5921BD-B0F1-4303-BF28-8460A2331BF9@ient.rwth-aachen.de>
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> we have deployed oGo on a ubuntu edgy machine for our chair. This =20
> means about 20 users with various different clients. In the past, most =20
> people used Apple iCal subscriptions, some used Outlook (zidelook =20
> plugin), two use kontact. Obviously kontact as available in ubuntu =20
> edgy but also newer doesn't really feature a working GroupDAV / CalDAV =20
> backend - we could only get it to work as read-only subscribing =20
> iCalendar files (as the old Apple iCal). Now two users including me =20
> have upgraded to Mac OS X Leopard and we hoped that we could now =20
> finally use read/write access to oGo calendars. However, this seems to =20
> be not fully working:
> - It looks like I have to create accounts for every group that I want =20
> to access (?)

Not certain what you mean by "create accounts for every group".  Every
user must have an account, but a user may be a member of multiple teams.

If you mean on the client, possibly.  Most of the clients currently only
support one calendar per account (or treat a "calender" as an
"account").

> - Creating an appointment works, moving or deleting it doesn't: =20
> 'ghost' copies remain until I delete them via web interface

You mean when you move appointments via CalDAV you get actual
duplication,  and not just artifacts in the client?

> - Availability of other users can't be checked from iCal

No, but you can retrieve free/busy information, which is the correct way
to check another user's availability.  This is documented in WMOGAG.
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view

> Is there a way to help ruling out these compatibility problems?


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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 12 09:07:22 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Mark Asbach)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:07:22 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] iCal / Leopard and oGo
In-Reply-To: <1194826320.6400.5.camel@localhost>
References: <0D5921BD-B0F1-4303-BF28-8460A2331BF9@ient.rwth-aachen.de>
 <1194826320.6400.5.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <FC10B125-3091-43A0-BD83-FF68E7669198@ient.rwth-aachen.de>

Hi Adam,

thanks for your reply!

> Not certain what you mean by "create accounts for every group".  Every
> user must have an account, but a user may be a member of multiple =20
> teams.
>
> If you mean on the client, possibly.  Most of the clients currently =20=

> only
> support one calendar per account (or treat a "calender" as an
> "account").

Yep. If I want to see events that are visible to groups ("teams" in =20
WMOGAG notation) that I'm in but where neither me nor the group are =20
listed as participants, I only see those events if I subscribe to the =20=

groups calendar. What I'd want to have is probably what's discussed in =20=

the WMOGAG under "Group Overview folders" as a (non-existent by =20
design) all-intranet Group Overview folder ...

>> - Creating an appointment works, moving or deleting it doesn't:
>> 'ghost' copies remain until I delete them via web interface
>
> You mean when you move appointments via CalDAV you get actual
> duplication,  and not just artifacts in the client?

Yep. The duplicates are not seen in the client (Apple iCal 3.0), only =20=

on the web ui or when I subscribe to the iCalender file in parallel to =20=

CalDAV access (this is possible with iCal).

>> - Availability of other users can't be checked from iCal
>
> No, but you can retrieve free/busy information, which is the correct =20=

> way
> to check another user's availability.  This is documented in WMOGAG.
> http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view

I know that in principle this is possible. However, iCal claims to =20
support free/busy information but - when used together with oGo - says =20=

it's not available.

Yours, Mark

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Institut f=FCr Nachrichtentechnik, RWTH Aachen University
http://www.ient.rwth-aachen.de/cms/team/m_asbach



From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 12 13:10:47 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2007 14:10:47 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] iCal / Leopard and oGo
In-Reply-To: <0D5921BD-B0F1-4303-BF28-8460A2331BF9@ient.rwth-aachen.de>
References: <0D5921BD-B0F1-4303-BF28-8460A2331BF9@ient.rwth-aachen.de>
Message-ID: <E5695B09-5480-4B55-95FE-4C65D465EA7E@opengroupware.org>

On 09.11.2007, at 15:17, Mark Asbach wrote:
> Now two users including me have upgraded to Mac OS X Leopard and we  
> hoped that we could now finally use read/write access to oGo  
> calendars. However, this seems to be not fully working:
>
> - It looks like I have to create accounts for every group that I  
> want to access (?)

Protocolwise this is not necessary. ZideStore just needs to support  
the necessary CalDAV REPORT queries. (which iCal uses to discover  
calendars on the server)

> - Creating an appointment works, moving or deleting it doesn't:  
> 'ghost' copies remain until I delete them via web interface

Need to check what iCal 3 does here.

> - Availability of other users can't be checked from iCal

Dito. Probably an appropriate CalDAV REPORT needs to be added.

> Is there a way to help ruling out these compatibility problems?

I just got my Leopard developer copy from ADC. Probably I will look  
into iCal compat this month or next.

Greets,
   Helge
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From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 13 08:22:26 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 08:22:26 -0000
Subject: [OGo-Users] Read access only "private" in new OGo install calendar
Message-ID: <E1Irr2Q-0007O3-Pm@luna.cgv.tugraz.at>

Hi!

Just found the problem with the new OGo (from trunk) install on debian etch:
In new appointment I just can set "read access: private" no other selection
available.
Is this the correct way it should be?
Found something in a forum about that, but no solution :-/

Cya
Lars Schimmer


From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 13 09:10:15 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:10:15 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Read access only "private" in new OGo install calendar
In-Reply-To: <E1Irr2Q-0007O3-Pm@luna.cgv.tugraz.at>
References: <E1Irr2Q-0007O3-Pm@luna.cgv.tugraz.at>
Message-ID: <BB7EEA6A-1BA4-4D39-982D-47A28829BF1A@opengroupware.org>

On 13.11.2007, at 09:22, Lars Schimmer wrote:
> Just found the problem with the new OGo (from trunk) install on  
> debian etch:
> In new appointment I just can set "read access: private" no other  
> selection
> available.
> Is this the correct way it should be?

No, if its an empty database you should see at least the "all  
intranet" team.

Greets,
   Helge
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http://www.helgehess.eu/



From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 13 09:30:33 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Lars Schimmer)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2007 09:30:33 -0000
Subject: [OGo-Users] Read access only "private" in new OGo install calendar
Message-ID: <E1Irs6L-0008Qt-BE@luna.cgv.tugraz.at>

users@opengroupware.org wrote: 
> On 13.11.2007, at 09:22, Lars Schimmer wrote:
> > Just found the problem with the new OGo (from trunk) install on  
> > debian etch:
> > In new appointment I just can set "read access: private" no other  
> > selection
> > available.
> > Is this the correct way it should be?
> 
> No, if its an empty database you should see at least the "all  
> intranet" team.

Sry, no.
Just the private entry.
I had created the db with the "Psqsl-dump" in debian trunk nightly builts
I needed to create the DB with the UTF-8 entry.
I created some users and teams, I should see some more than the private entry.


> Greets,
>    Helge
> -- 
> Helge Hess
> http://www.helgehess.eu/



From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov 16 20:27:16 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 15:27:16 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] r2051 & tasks (Change Announcement!)
Message-ID: <1195244836.10191.13.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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As of r2051 the Logic regarding jobs & tasks has changed somewhat.
Anyone having an OpenGroupware database that has been around for awhile
may be affected.  Previously some fields in the job table ("kind" &
"is_control_job")[1] caused records to be filtered out by Logic;  this
is no longer the case.   This means if such jobs exist in your database
they will now appear in WebUI and possibly other places if you update to
r0251 or later.

You can check your database with:
SELECT COUNT(*) FROM job=20
WHERE ((kind IS NOT NULL) OR (is_control_job =3D 1))

If the COUNT(*) is 0 then you are all set.   Otherwise you probably want
to purge these records from your database; after backing up, of course.

For more information:
http://svn.opengroupware.org/viewcvs?rev=3D2050&view=3Drev
http://svn.opengroupware.org/viewcvs?rev=3D2051&view=3Drev
http://www.opengroupware.org/changeblogger/200711.html (Nov. 14th)
http://mail.opengroupware.org/pipermail/developer/2007-November/003236.html=
=20

[1] These fields were used by a now defunct application.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Sun Nov 18 03:03:51 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Goldrick, Jim)
Date: Sat, 17 Nov 2007 21:03:51 -0600
Subject: [OGo-Users] Build error on sope
Message-ID: <574F68F739A9D040A4896931B3D6C3C159BD89@gabriel.judsoncollege.edu>

Hi

I am trying to build OGO on a HPUX 11.1.  I have installed all the
pre-requisites but am getting an error here.

make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/samples'
Making all in STXSaxDriver...
make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
Making all in subprojects of bundle STXSaxDriver...
make[3]: Entering directory
`/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/ExtraSTX'
Making all for subproject ExtraSTX...
 Linking subproject ExtraSTX ...
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/ExtraSTX'
make[3]: Entering directory
`/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/Model'
Making all for subproject Model...
 Linking subproject Model ...
make[3]: Leaving directory
`/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/Model'
Making all for bundle STXSaxDriver...
make[3]: *** No rule to make target
`ExtraSTX/shared_debug_obj/subproject.o', needed by
`STXSaxDriver.sax/./STXSaxDriver'.  Stop.
make[2]: *** [STXSaxDriver.all.bundle.variables] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
make[1]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml'
make: *** [internal-all] Error 2
bash-3.2#

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you,

Jim Goldrick
Judson University
1151 North State Street=20
Elgin, Illinois 60123=20
573-332-7739
http://www.judsonu.edu=20
jgoldrick@judsonu.edu

From users@opengroupware.org  Sun Nov 18 13:25:38 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 14:25:38 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] Build error on sope
In-Reply-To: <574F68F739A9D040A4896931B3D6C3C159BD89@gabriel.judsoncollege.edu>
References: <574F68F739A9D040A4896931B3D6C3C159BD89@gabriel.judsoncollege.edu>
Message-ID: <756DC147-2495-4419-9B10-9146B8FF5907@opengroupware.org>

On 18.11.2007, at 04:03, Goldrick, Jim wrote:
> I am trying to build OGO on a HPUX 11.1.  I have installed all the
> pre-requisites but am getting an error here.
>
> Making all in STXSaxDriver...
> make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
...
>  Linking subproject Model ...
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/Model'
> Making all for bundle STXSaxDriver...
> make[3]: *** No rule to make target
> `ExtraSTX/shared_debug_obj/subproject.o', needed by
> `STXSaxDriver.sax/./STXSaxDriver'.  Stop.
> make[2]: *** [STXSaxDriver.all.bundle.variables] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
> make[1]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml'
> make: *** [internal-all] Error 2


Which OGo version do you use?
Which GNUstep-make do you use? (the embedded one?)

Thanks,
   Helge
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http://www.helgehess.eu/



From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 19 02:35:51 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Goldrick, Jim)
Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2007 20:35:51 -0600
Subject: [OGo-Users] Build error on sope
References: <574F68F739A9D040A4896931B3D6C3C159BD89@gabriel.judsoncollege.edu> <756DC147-2495-4419-9B10-9146B8FF5907@opengroupware.org>
Message-ID: <574F68F739A9D040A4896931B3D6C3C144E097@gabriel.judsoncollege.edu>

Well, I got ogo 1.0-finally and sope-latest.  I haven't actually gotten =
to ogo yet, but yes, the gnustep_make came with sope.
=20
jim

________________________________

From: users-admin@opengroupware.org on behalf of Helge Hess
Sent: Sun 11/18/2007 7:25 AM
To: users@opengroupware.org
Subject: Re: [OGo-Users] Build error on sope



On 18.11.2007, at 04:03, Goldrick, Jim wrote:
> I am trying to build OGO on a HPUX 11.1.  I have installed all the
> pre-requisites but am getting an error here.
>
> Making all in STXSaxDriver...
> make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
...
>  Linking subproject Model ...
> make[3]: Leaving directory
> `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver/Model'
> Making all for bundle STXSaxDriver...
> make[3]: *** No rule to make target
> `ExtraSTX/shared_debug_obj/subproject.o', needed by
> `STXSaxDriver.sax/./STXSaxDriver'.  Stop.
> make[2]: *** [STXSaxDriver.all.bundle.variables] Error 2
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml/STXSaxDriver'
> make[1]: *** [internal-all] Error 2
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/gnu/src/sope/sope-xml'
> make: *** [internal-all] Error 2


Which OGo version do you use?
Which GNUstep-make do you use? (the embedded one?)

Thanks,
   Helge
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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 07:44:07 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:44:07 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
Message-ID: <20071121074407.F370E473E7@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

Hi,

anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
On download. I only find some for 10.2. 
If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the 
instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.


kind regards
Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 08:59:04 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Frank Reppin)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 09:59:04 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <20071121074407.F370E473E7@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
References: <20071121074407.F370E473E7@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
Message-ID: <4743F358.40701@opengroupware.org>

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Hi,

Sebastian Reitenbach wrote:
[...]
> anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
> On download. I only find some for 10.2. 
> If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the 
> instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.
Will reorganize our buildfarm - moving all (or at least the recent
distributions to vmware-server) as soon as time permits and if
it looks reasonable (given the fact that I kind of lack evil
hardware to cope with.

Just FYI.

cheers,
frank\


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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 13:05:09 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:05:09 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <4743F358.40701@opengroupware.org>
References: <20071121074407.F370E473E7@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
 <4743F358.40701@opengroupware.org>
Message-ID: <1195650309.4970.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

> > anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
> > On download. I only find some for 10.2. 
> > If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the 
> > instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.
> Will reorganize our buildfarm - moving all (or at least the recent
> distributions to vmware-server) as soon as time permits and if
> it looks reasonable (given the fact that I kind of lack evil
> hardware to cope with.

I have openSUSE 10.3 RPMS;  maybe I didn't upload them to the docs
plone.  I'll check today.  

SOPE & libFoundation RPMs (TRUNK) should be available from the SuSE
build farm,  I still have to get opengroupware itself set up.

Be warned that my openSUSE 10.3 RPMs at this point differ slightly from
TRUNK as they contain some of my own patches.


From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 16:21:26 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Marcus Wu)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:21:26 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo migration from Exchange
Message-ID: <759B59556A67F24C87805B8B6F2291A69226BC@Exchange.oasys.local>

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We're currently running on an Exchange standard 2003 server which is
basically at end of life because they won't sell us an upgrade to
enterprise for 2003... they want to sell us a 2007 license which is cost
prohibitive right now.  We must do something because we have hit the 75
Gb email store limit standard imposes.

=20

Currently, I have a running OGo installation that is authenticating off
of Active Directory (thanks to the opengroupware documentation site
coverage on it and no thanks to many hours trying to diagnose why it
wasn't working due to a one-character type-o in the NSGlobalDomain.plist
file).

=20

My install is on Debian and I was actually able to pretty easily follow
the Debian 4 install even though I am running on testing(Lenny).  There
weren't any real hitches to the install (aside from my plist defaults
file misspelling).  I just added the repo and followed the docs already
available.

=20

OGo already threatens to boot Exchange off our network, but one thing is
left - data migration.  I'm in the process of working out an imap email
sync from Exchange, but I will still need to work out a way to migrate
Calendars and Contacts over.  I read that this is possible via webDAV,
but I have not seen any references as to how it is actually done.  I am
posting here to see if there is anything already created for doing this.
If not, I may write up a script to do it and post up a little howto once
it's done.

=20

Thanks for a great solution to our Exchange woes!

=20

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=20

Marcus Wu

Server Developer

919.807.5636

=20

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work out
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possible via webDAV, but I have not seen any references as to how it is
actually done.&nbsp; I am posting here to see if there is anything =
already
created for doing this.&nbsp; If not, I may write up a script to do it =
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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 20:29:48 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:29:48 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo migration from Exchange
In-Reply-To: <759B59556A67F24C87805B8B6F2291A69226BC@Exchange.oasys.local>
References: <759B59556A67F24C87805B8B6F2291A69226BC@Exchange.oasys.local>
Message-ID: <1195676988.9229.39.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> OGo already threatens to boot Exchange off our network, but one thing
> is left =E2=80=93 data migration.  I=E2=80=99m in the process of working =
out an imap
> email sync from Exchange, but I will still need to work out a way to
> migrate Calendars and Contacts over.  I read that this is possible via
> webDAV, but I have not seen any references as to how it is actually
> done.  I am posting here to see if there is anything already created
> for doing this.  If not, I may write up a script to do it and post up
> a little howto once it=E2=80=99s done.

First part is getting the data out of Exchange.  imapsync should do the
mail.  For getting the webdav content (I'm certain there are sites about
this).

This should be do-able with one of the common scripting languages.  I
think a request like -
<?xml version=3D\"1.0\" encoding=3D\"utf-8\"?>
<d:propfind xmlns:d=3D\"DAV:\">
  <d:prop>
    <d:getetag/>
    <d:displayname/>
    <d:resourcetype/>
    <d:getcontenttype/>
    <d:href/>=20
 </d:prop>
</d:propfind>
- will enumerate the contents of a DAV folder.

Then loop through each of the "D:prop" elements getting URL +
"D:getetag"

I don't have an Exchange server around so I don't know the actual
structure of the folder tree.

With ZideStore you can enumerate the contents of a folder just using
curl, like:
curl -d "<xml>" -H "Content-Type: text/xml" -u adam:********** -X
PROPFIND  http://gourd-amber/zidestore/dav/adam/Contacts/

Don't know if that would work with Exchange.

The easiest way depends upon what tools you are most comfortable with:
Perl, Python, C#, etc... ?

Might even be interesting to see if you can use Novell's NetDrive
(assuming you can still find a copy) to just map your Exchange folder to
a drive letter, map ZideStore to a drive letter, and drag-n-drop some
content from one to the other.  Netdrive works reasonably well with
ZideStore.  Note:  since I don't have an exchange server i have no idea
if the aforementioned will actually work.


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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 21 20:36:31 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 15:36:31 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo migration from Exchange
In-Reply-To: <1195676988.9229.39.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <759B59556A67F24C87805B8B6F2291A69226BC@Exchange.oasys.local>
 <1195676988.9229.39.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
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> The easiest way depends upon what tools you are most comfortable with:
> Perl, Python, C#, etc... ?
> Might even be interesting to see if you can use Novell's NetDrive
> (assuming you can still find a copy) to just map your Exchange folder to
> a drive letter, map ZideStore to a drive letter, and drag-n-drop some
> content from one to the other.  Netdrive works reasonably well with
> ZideStore.  Note:  since I don't have an exchange server i have no idea
> if the aforementioned will actually work.

Here is a link to netdrive
http://web.nicc.edu/files/netdrive/netdrive.exe


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From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov 23 08:18:41 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 09:18:41 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
Message-ID: <20071123081841.F140847917@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

Hi,
users@opengroupware.org wrote: 
> > > anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
> > > On download. I only find some for 10.2. 
> > > If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the 
> > > instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.
> > Will reorganize our buildfarm - moving all (or at least the recent
> > distributions to vmware-server) as soon as time permits and if
> > it looks reasonable (given the fact that I kind of lack evil
> > hardware to cope with.
> 
> I have openSUSE 10.3 RPMS;  maybe I didn't upload them to the docs
> plone.  I'll check today.  
I took a quick look in the plone, but haven't found any, do you can upload 
them or point me to the place where they are.

Thanks
Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov 23 15:33:53 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 10:33:53 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <20071123081841.F140847917@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
References: <20071123081841.F140847917@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
Message-ID: <1195832033.8383.17.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> > > > anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
> > > > On download. I only find some for 10.2.=20
> > > > If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the=20
> > > > instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.
> > > Will reorganize our buildfarm - moving all (or at least the recent
> > > distributions to vmware-server) as soon as time permits and if
> > > it looks reasonable (given the fact that I kind of lack evil
> > > hardware to cope with.
> >=20
> > I have openSUSE 10.3 RPMS;  maybe I didn't upload them to the docs
> > plone.  I'll check today. =20
> I took a quick look in the plone, but haven't found any, do you can uploa=
d=20
> them or point me to the place where they are.

Yep, got distracted by other stuff. Uploaded now.

http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/base-r2030-openSUSE102.tar.=
gz/file_view
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/ogo-r2030-openSUSE102.tar.g=
z/file_view

The filename still says openSUSE 10.2,  but only because I can't figure
out how to change that in without deleting and recreating, and thus
relinking, in the plone.  Description says 10.3 =20

Not to self - have to be really generic when naming files in the
plone. :(

These packages reflect r1551/r2051 + task::qsearch command,
ogo-qsearch-task tool, and the OGoTaskAccessHandler object.  The later
*might* cause you issues,  it isn't completely tested yet [and I think
something is wrong,  but actually in detecting project access].

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From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov 23 16:45:00 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:45:00 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <1195832033.8383.17.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <20071123081841.F140847917@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> <1195832033.8383.17.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200711231145.00535.chris123@magma.ca>

On Friday 23 November 2007 10:33:53 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> The filename still says openSUSE 10.2,  but only because I can't figure
> out how to change that in without deleting and recreating, and thus
> relinking, in the plone.  Description says 10.3

Correct the file name to the appropriate rev level. 

> Not to self - have to be really generic when naming files in the
> plone. :(

Not really. As admin >log in > plone set> ZMI> Members> whitemice> select file 
and rename. Done. ..:)

Some things you can do in plone. Those that you cannot you need to drop down 
to the zope server and do it there. Plone is an application that runs on zope 
is probably the easiest way to understand it and all data is stored in zope's 
object base. Plone is basically a skin. 

> These packages reflect r1551/r2051 + task::qsearch command,
> ogo-qsearch-task tool, and the OGoTaskAccessHandler object.  The later
> *might* cause you issues,  it isn't completely tested yet [and I think
> something is wrong,  but actually in detecting project access].


Thanks for all you hard work Adam. I will be installing these later tonight.

Regards and thanks

/ch

From users@opengroupware.org  Fri Nov 23 16:48:21 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:48:21 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <1195832033.8383.17.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <20071123081841.F140847917@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de> <1195832033.8383.17.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200711231148.21906.chris123@magma.ca>

On Friday 23 November 2007 10:33:53 am Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

OOps one more thing. The correct URL;s are now:

 
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/base-r2030-openSUSE103.tar.gz/file_view
 
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/ogo-r2030-openSUSE103.tar.gz/file_view

Hope that helps and clarifies things

/ch


From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 24 03:17:09 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:17:09 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
Message-ID: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>

Greets:

Using Adams rpm's and trying to add ogo's calendar as a resource in Kontact 
and the following url http://localhost/zidestore/so/username I get the follow 
errors in the log file.

Nov 24 03:09:00 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: account::change-password: using 
password field: 'userPassword'
Nov 24 03:09:00 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: Note: members of role team 'team 
creators' are allowed to create teams.
Nov 24 03:09:01 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: Note(SoObject): SoDebugKeyLookup is 
enabled!
Nov 24 03:09:01 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: Note(SoObject): SoDebugBaseURL is 
enabled!
Nov 24 03:09:01 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: Note(SoObject): relative base URLs 
are enabled.
Nov 24 03:09:01 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: |ogo-zidestore-1| ERROR: cannot 
fetch logins, no cmdctx!

with the result that no folders are displayed in the kontact configuration 
tool. 

Was wondering if I did something wrong or is this a Kontact error?

Regards

/ch

From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 24 05:29:00 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 00:29:00 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

> Using Adams rpm's and trying to add ogo's calendar as a resource in Kontact 
> and the following url http://localhost/zidestore/so/username I get the follow 
> errors in the log file.

/zidestore/dav/{username}/  would be better, although the above should
work.

> Nov 24 03:09:01 ogo-zidestore-1.5 [8083]: |ogo-zidestore-1| ERROR: cannot 
> fetch logins, no cmdctx!

Is the {username} a valid user and the one you are authenticating as?
This is from -
  if ((auth = [self authenticatorInContext:_ctx]) == nil) {
    [self logWithFormat:@"ERROR: got no authenticator for context: %@",
_ctx];
    return NO;
  }
  if ((cmdctx = [auth commandContextInContext:_ctx]) == nil) {
    [self logWithFormat:@"ERROR: cannot fetch logins, no cmdctx!"];
    return NO;
  }


> with the result that no folders are displayed in the kontact configuration 
> tool. 
> Was wondering if I did something wrong or is this a Kontact error?

Don't know, I've never been able to get Kontact to do anything.


From users@opengroupware.org  Sat Nov 24 07:14:11 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Sebastian Reitenbach)
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 08:14:11 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
Message-ID: <20071124071411.C6E1B47AA2@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>

users@opengroupware.org wrote: 
> > > > > anybody has sope/ogo rpm's for opensuse 10.3 yet?
> > > > > On download. I only find some for 10.2. 
> > > > > If not, then I think I could take the 10.2 spec files and the 
> > > > > instructions from Adam, and will try to create some by myself.
> > > > Will reorganize our buildfarm - moving all (or at least the recent
> > > > distributions to vmware-server) as soon as time permits and if
> > > > it looks reasonable (given the fact that I kind of lack evil
> > > > hardware to cope with.
> > > 
> > > I have openSUSE 10.3 RPMS;  maybe I didn't upload them to the docs
> > > plone.  I'll check today.  
> > I took a quick look in the plone, but haven't found any, do you can 
upload 
> > them or point me to the place where they are.
> 
> Yep, got distracted by other stuff. Uploaded now.
No problem, everybody has a lot to do ;)

> 
> 
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/base-r2030-openSUSE102.tar.gz/file_view

> 
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/ogo-r2030-openSUSE102.tar.gz/file_view

> 
> The filename still says openSUSE 10.2,  but only because I can't figure
> out how to change that in without deleting and recreating, and thus
> relinking, in the plone.  Description says 10.3  
Do you have the rpm's for x86_64 too?
If not could you please upload the src.rpm that you used?
Or can I take the same that is there for 10.2, would that work for 10.3 too?

> 
> These packages reflect r1551/r2051 + task::qsearch command,
> ogo-qsearch-task tool, and the OGoTaskAccessHandler object.  The later
> *might* cause you issues,  it isn't completely tested yet [and I think
> something is wrong,  but actually in detecting project access].
> 
I hope I get my desktop updated next week to 10.3, then I can test these on 
it.

kind regards
Sebastian


From users@opengroupware.org  Sun Nov 25 18:51:15 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Arne Schmitz)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2007 19:51:15 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>

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Am Samstag 24 November 2007 schrieb Adam Tauno Williams:
> > with the result that no folders are displayed in the kontact
> > configuration tool.
> > Was wondering if I did something wrong or is this a Kontact error?
>
> Don't know, I've never been able to get Kontact to do anything.

Yes, this is a problem that's years old. There is even nor respons from the=
=20
kdepim developers on the bug tracker. My hopes are that they are=20
concentrating on KDE 4 and getting it to work there...

Arne

=2D-=20
Dipl.-Inform. Arne Schmitz              Phone   +49 (0)241 80-21817
Computer Graphics Group                 Fax     +49 (0)241 80-22899
RWTH Aachen University                  http://www.rwth-graphics.de
Ahornstrasse 55, 52074 Aachen, Germany

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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 13:09:17 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 08:09:17 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
 <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
 <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20071126080917.35a8p15rvowog8cg@www.mormail.com>

>> > with the result that no folders are displayed in the kontact
>> > configuration tool.
>> > Was wondering if I did something wrong or is this a Kontact error?
>> Don't know, I've never been able to get Kontact to do anything.
> Yes, this is a problem that's years old. There is even nor respons from th=
e
> kdepim developers on the bug tracker.

I assume you mean http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D115617

I don't have Kontact installed currently,  but I do have this blurb in =20
my notes (from the Citadel site I believe): "Special note for Kontact =20
users: there is a known bug in some versions of Kontact in which the =20
GroupDAV data will not be visible simply because you checked the box =20
next to the resource. Instead, try right-clicking on the calendar or =20
address book you want and enabling it from the context menu. (Thanks =20
to Jon Watson for this tip.)"

I haven't tried the above.

> My hopes are that they are
> concentrating on KDE 4 and getting it to work there...

I'm less optimistic;  GroupDAV support [with the notable exception of =20
TB & Funambol] suffers from a serious case of "almost there.....".  =20
Evolution is equally as broken as Kontact.


From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 14:24:24 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 09:24:24 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] rpm's for opensuse 10.3
In-Reply-To: <20071124071411.C6E1B47AA2@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
References: <20071124071411.C6E1B47AA2@smtp.l00-bugdead-prods.de>
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> > The filename still says openSUSE 10.2,  but only because I can't figure
> > out how to change that in without deleting and recreating, and thus
> > relinking, in the plone.  Description says 10.3 =20
> Do you have the rpm's for x86_64 too?

Nope.  Just never had the need;  OGo scales much better via multiple
heads (el'cheapo 32-bit pizza boxes) than from gargantuan address space.
PostgreSQL on the other hand loves 64-bit.

> If not could you please upload the src.rpm that you used?
> Or can I take the same that is there for 10.2, would that work for 10.3 t=
oo?

There really isn't any difference,  just what they get linked to at
compile time.  IMy SPEC files are in the PLONE.  Then just put
ogo-gnustep_make.tar.gz,  sope.tar.gz, and opengroupware.tar.gz
in /usr/src/packages/SOURCES/  Then it should just "rpmbuild -bb {spec
file}".

http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/misc/OGoSUSESPECFiles.tar.g=
z/file_view

You of course have to tweak the version numbers appropriately in the
header of the SPEC files.

> > These packages reflect r1551/r2051 + task::qsearch command,
> > ogo-qsearch-task tool, and the OGoTaskAccessHandler object.  The later
> > *might* cause you issues,  it isn't completely tested yet [and I think
> > something is wrong,  but actually in detecting project access].
> I hope I get my desktop updated next week to 10.3, then I can test these =
on=20
> it.


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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 16:29:11 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 11:29:11 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net> <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200711261129.11159.chris123@magma.ca>

On Sunday 25 November 2007 01:51:15 pm Arne Schmitz wrote:
>. My hopes are that they are
> concentrating on KDE 4 and getting it to work there...

Thats what I was testing on 3 and 4. The 3 version is dead. Kontact 4 seems to 
have partial calendar integration but its not release quality by any means, 
address/contact integration is not working at all, as well as the rest. 

Tested on openSUSE10.3 KDE4 packages and Adams rpm set. 

I was hopping for the same as its been a long wait. As far as I can tell at 
this point there are no real linux clients that fully support OGo other then 
the stuff Adam developed. I wish I was wrong so pls correct as needed. 

regards

/ch




From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 18:08:25 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 13:08:25 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711261129.11159.chris123@magma.ca>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
 <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
 <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
 <200711261129.11159.chris123@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <1196100505.4723.10.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

On Mon, 2007-11-26 at 11:29 -0500, Chris H wrote:
> On Sunday 25 November 2007 01:51:15 pm Arne Schmitz wrote:
> >. My hopes are that they are
> > concentrating on KDE 4 and getting it to work there...
> Thats what I was testing on 3 and 4. The 3 version is dead. Kontact 4 seems to 
> have partial calendar integration but its not release quality by any means, 
> address/contact integration is not working at all, as well as the rest. 
> Tested on openSUSE10.3 KDE4 packages and Adams rpm set. 
> I was hopping for the same as its been a long wait. As far as I can tell at 
> this point there are no real linux clients that fully support OGo other then 
> the stuff Adam developed. I wish I was wrong so pls correct as needed. 

Nope,  I think we are actually worse off now than we were in 2003 when
at least the Evolution Exchange connector worked.   Besides
GroupDAV:Thunderbird and GroupDAV:Funambol there really isn't anything
an end-user can use. 

I suppose beyond saying that this belongs over on discuss@. :)

My suspicion is that the interest level in client/server groupware for
LINUX is very very low;  most groupware *users* are on Windows since
groupware is primarily a corporate thing, and the WebUI is "good enough"
to not create an itch that urgently needs to be scratched.   I've gotten
a total of one e-mail about the stuff I've created [which admittedly
isn't great stuff] but does demonstrate a low interest level. 

Beyond that I think the groupware genre as a whole, and especially
OpenGroupware, have done a really lousy job promoting itself/themselves.
(which is admittedly tough since there is a large population that
doesn't "get" groupware).

But I'll be back to hacking on Consonance -
http://code.google.com/p/consonance/ - over the holidays and hopefully I
can iron out the last two crasher bugs. :)


From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 18:09:04 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:09:04 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <1196100505.4723.10.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net> <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net> <200711261129.11159.chris123@magma.ca> <1196100505.4723.10.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org>

On 26.11.2007, at 19:08, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> Besides GroupDAV:Thunderbird and GroupDAV:Funambol there really  
> isn't anything an end-user can use.


Whats wrong with the GroupDAV connector for Thunderbird, isn't it  
working?

Thanks,
   Helge
-- 
Helge Hess
http://www.helgehess.eu/

From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 19:17:28 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:17:28 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
 <1195882140.7409.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
 <200711251951.21601.arne.schmitz@gmx.net>
 <200711261129.11159.chris123@magma.ca>
 <1196100505.4723.10.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
 <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org>
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> On 26.11.2007, at 19:08, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > Besides GroupDAV:Thunderbird and GroupDAV:Funambol there really =20
> > isn't anything an end-user can use.
> Whats wrong with the GroupDAV connector for Thunderbird, isn't it =20
> working?

Nothing is wrong with it, hence "Besides". :)  GroupDAV:Thunderbird &
GroupDAV:Funambol are the two things, in my experience, that *ARE*
working.


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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 20:34:10 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:34:10 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <1196104648.5070.8.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org> <1196104648.5070.8.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca>

On Monday 26 November 2007 02:17:28 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> > Whats wrong with the GroupDAV connector for Thunderbird, isn't it
> > working?
>
> Nothing is wrong with it, hence "Besides". :)  GroupDAV:Thunderbird &
> GroupDAV:Funambol are the two things, in my experience, that *ARE*
> working.

You connot run a decent workflow off of Thunderbird. Its far too limited. Whom 
do you suggest Helge I ping over at Kontact/KDE to get a status on the 
connector and its development for KDE4?

regards

/ch


From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 20:56:36 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 15:56:36 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
 <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org>
 <1196104648.5070.8.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca>
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> > > Whats wrong with the GroupDAV connector for Thunderbird, isn't it
> > > working?
> > Nothing is wrong with it, hence "Besides". :)  GroupDAV:Thunderbird &
> > GroupDAV:Funambol are the two things, in my experience, that *ARE*
> > working.
> You connot run a decent workflow off of Thunderbird. Its far too limited.=
=20

I agree 110%, but then Thunderbird isn't [really] a groupware client so
the charge isn't fair.

> Whom=20
> do you suggest Helge I ping over at Kontact/KDE to get a status on the=20
> connector and its development for KDE4?

I have a dream of connecting Evolution into the mix via my zOGI DLL once
Evolution supports providers in .NET.

http://psankar.blogspot.com/2007/10/write-evolution-plugins-using-mono-c.ht=
ml
http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3D483372

But that is probably a long way off.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 21:19:42 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:19:42 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org> <1196104648.5070.8.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <61012081-7F39-4BB0-93FC-3243B352FDA8@opengroupware.org>

On 26.11.2007, at 21:34, Chris H wrote:
> Whom do you suggest Helge I ping over at Kontact/KDE to get a  
> status on the connector and its development for KDE4?


I think the KDE guys really need to finish Akonadi/KDE4 first before  
they can look into connectors. Kontact also does not have *that* may  
developers.

You could probably ask Till Adam or Cornelius Schumacher about their  
plans.

Greets,
   Helge
-- 
Helge Hess
http://www.helgehess.eu/

From users@opengroupware.org  Mon Nov 26 21:24:46 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Helge Hess)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:24:46 +0100
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <1196110596.5070.35.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <8EFA91E3-906F-4DAD-9582-6747D021EC10@opengroupware.org> <1196104648.5070.8.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <200711261534.13534.chris123@magma.ca> <1196110596.5070.35.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <330107DA-7199-4EE5-BEB3-63D24434693B@opengroupware.org>

On 26.11.2007, at 21:56, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
>>> Nothing is wrong with it, hence "Besides". :)   
>>> GroupDAV:Thunderbird &
>>> GroupDAV:Funambol are the two things, in my experience, that *ARE*
>>> working.
>> You connot run a decent workflow off of Thunderbird. Its far too  
>> limited.
> I agree 110%, but then Thunderbird isn't [really] a groupware  
> client so
> the charge isn't fair.


We'll see what comes out of the new "MailCo", IMHO it should go into  
the full-Outlook-replacement direction (lovely).
Anyways, I guess TB + Lightning + the SOGo extensions are quite  
reasonable. Well, and if you want to target Windows, its the only  
real (FOSS) option currently (IMHO).

IMHO it looks better than ever because we have the TB/Lightning  
extensions, and they are actively maintained.
Some thing on MacOS. With iCal supporting CalDAV we are closer than  
ever with getting reasonable client support.

Evolution and Kontact would be great, but in the real world they
a) are not *that* relevant
b) have their "primary" backends (Kolab for KDE and Groupwise for Evo)

Greets,
   Helge

PS: of course there is always a place for real OGo like native  
clients, say the Consonance thing of Adam :-)
-- 
Helge Hess
http://www.helgehess.eu/

From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 00:22:35 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 19:22:35 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <330107DA-7199-4EE5-BEB3-63D24434693B@opengroupware.org>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <1196110596.5070.35.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net> <330107DA-7199-4EE5-BEB3-63D24434693B@opengroupware.org>
Message-ID: <200711261922.36050.chris123@magma.ca>

On Monday 26 November 2007 04:24:46 pm Helge Hess wrote:

> We'll see what comes out of the new "MailCo", IMHO it should go into
> the full-Outlook-replacement direction (lovely).

Well Im not expecting much and personally I dont have the time to wait. What 
is interesting in the realease announcement is the verbage used, " email and 
communications areas" Thats standard language for integration with a number 
of protocals, and its not what Im looking for. My spec reads as follows:

1. Standard linux based PIM: email, calender, contacts, todo list. Notes and 
journal are nice but not required. Workflow is far more important to me then 
the latter two. 

2. Able to sync my laptop to a server and update and sync remotely as well as 
sync workstation with laptop or server. All three need to be updated with the 
same information. 

3. Able to sync, calendar, contacts, and todos to my mobile.

Lets see, Ive been on linux now since the late 90's and I still cant get this 
combo to work in a reliable manner. Can ya feel da pain..:) 
 
> Anyways, I guess TB + Lightning + the SOGo extensions are quite
> reasonable. Well, and if you want to target Windows, its the only
> real (FOSS) option currently (IMHO).

Not so, Big debate in the KDE community was whether to release a windos 
version and with qt4 and KDE4 this will be the first release. 

> IMHO it looks better than ever because we have the TB/Lightning
> extensions, and they are actively maintained.
> Some thing on MacOS. With iCal supporting CalDAV we are closer than
> ever with getting reasonable client support.

Closer then ever is like telling a drownding sailor, only a few more miles to 
shore lad. And I am going sailing next year so I had hoped to have all this 
sorted by then. :(

> Evolution and Kontact would be great, but in the real world they
> a) are not *that* relevant

disagree completely but thats just me. 

> b) have their "primary" backends (Kolab for KDE and Groupwise for Evo)

Kolab is just OK and Groupwise is excellent, expensive, a bugger to learn and  
maintain and invloves support contracts with Novel. Its not a small business 
option even though they like to tell and sell it as so. 

Larger corporations are on Outlook with either Sun, Oracle, Novel or MS 
backends. Interestingly enough Samsung has a very decent backend and its sold 
in the States through a licensing agreement as Scalix. There must be more to 
this as they are now offering an opensource version as well and partnered 
with Xandros. (just checked the site again after being away from it for a 
year or two) 

But what about simple end users on linux? 

> Greets,
>    Helge
>
> PS: of course there is always a place for real OGo like native
> clients, say the Consonance thing of Adam :-)

And that is where a scratch meets an itch. Ya gotta love opensource software 
and the talent that is invested in such efforts, both at the server end and 
the front end. Best of luck. 

Best regards

/ch

From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 00:43:54 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (users@opengroupware.org)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:43:54 -0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Filter (Sieve) Problem Using Move To Folder option.
Message-ID: <1196124234.474b684a3d81b@webmail8.click21.com.br>

Hello!

I'm having a problem when configuring filters throught the OGo Webmail interface
(LSWImapMailFilterEditor). First of all a have to say that i am using dotted
addresses to the e-mail accounts. To make this work i change to "1" the
"unixhierarchysep" attribute into the "/etc/imapd.conf" file. The problem is:
when i use the option "Move to Folder" to create my filters, they doesn't seen
to work. Looking at the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files i saw that the rule was
created like this one: "fileinto INBOX.WEBMIN". Looking at the "cyradm" a saw
that the address to this folder is "user/smith.rock/webmin". So, if i change,
by hand, the rule into the "ogo.bc" file to "fileinto INBOX/WEBMIN" the filter
works fine.
Thats some way to still using dotted addresses and make OGo save the filters
correctly into the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files???

I'll appreciate some help.

Kleber (from Brazil - João Pessoa/PB)


___________________________________________________________________________________
Para fazer uma ligação DDD pra perto ou pra longe, faz um 21. A Embratel tem
tarifas muito baratas esperando por você. Aproveite!


From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 02:19:13 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Mark Pavlichuk)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:19:13 +1000
Subject: [OGo-Users] Sunbird 0.7 /w Ogo - some progress
Message-ID: <474B7EA1.4000201@internode.on.net>

  After preliminary testing it looks like there's a working Sunbird hack 
to get around the "multiplying event" alarm bug /w Sunbird & Ogo.

  The bug report is here : 
http://bugzilla.opengroupware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1874 and 
there is a patch on comment #10 of this Sunbird bug report : 
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=382219 .  Although I'm 
further along unfortunately I've discovered another Sunbird/Ogo alarm 
related bug : https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=405530 .

  Perhaps this could also be solved using another Sunbird-side hack?

-Mark

From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 03:16:17 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:16:17 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] Filter (Sieve) Problem Using Move To Folder option.
In-Reply-To: <1196124234.474b684a3d81b@webmail8.click21.com.br>
References: <1196124234.474b684a3d81b@webmail8.click21.com.br>
Message-ID: <1196133377.7879.3.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

> to work. Looking at the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files i saw that the rule was
> created like this one: "fileinto INBOX.WEBMIN". Looking at the "cyradm" a saw
> that the address to this folder is "user/smith.rock/webmin". So, if i change,
> by hand, the rule into the "ogo.bc" file to "fileinto INBOX/WEBMIN" the filter
> works fine.
> Thats some way to still using dotted addresses and make OGo save the filters
> correctly into the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files???

Yes, I'm pretty certain there is a default that determines the separator
character.  

Try setting "SieveFilenameSeparator' in NSGlobalDomain to "."

In Tools/sky_install_sieve.m is -

- (NSString *)sieveFilenameForString:(NSString *)fileName {
  NSUserDefaults *ud = [NSUserDefaults standardUserDefaults];
  NSString *sep;
  
  if ([fileName hasPrefix:@"/"]) {
    fileName = [fileName substringWithRange:
                           NSMakeRange(1, [fileName length] - 1)];
  }

  sep = [ud stringForKey:@"SieveFilenameSeparator"];
  if (![sep isNotEmpty])
    sep = @".";
  
  if ([sep isEqualToString:@"/"])
    return fileName; /* return as-is, no transformation required */
  
  fileName = [[fileName componentsSeparatedByString:@"/"]
	                componentsJoinedByString:sep];
  return fileName;
}


From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 03:58:56 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:58:56 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <200711261922.36050.chris123@magma.ca>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca>
 <1196110596.5070.35.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <330107DA-7199-4EE5-BEB3-63D24434693B@opengroupware.org>
 <200711261922.36050.chris123@magma.ca>
Message-ID: <1196135936.7879.44.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

> > We'll see what comes out of the new "MailCo", IMHO it should go into
> > the full-Outlook-replacement direction (lovely).
> Well Im not expecting much and personally I dont have the time to wait. What 
> is interesting in the realease announcement is the verbage used, " email and 
> communications areas" Thats standard language for integration with a number 
> of protocals, and its not what Im looking for. My spec reads as follows:
> 1. Standard linux based PIM: email, calender, contacts, todo list. Notes and 
> journal are nice but not required. Workflow is far more important to me then 
> the latter two. 

We are very much in the same boat - but I think what is at work here is
that there are several definitions of groupware people from different
perspectives use: 

(1) calendar / address books, etc... this may include tasks and to-do,
but it frequently doesn't.  If the calendar & address books (and
whatever else) can be used collaboratively or simply shared, then it is
"groupware".
(2) human oriented workflow in the sense of jobs and job collections,
and often used in relation to scheduling / calendering.  Here issuing,
tracking, and delegating things is the key.
(3) collaborative CMS and form oriented RAD; aka Lotus Notes & Domino or
Sharepoint.  Often these are built upon the foundation provided by 1 &
2.

None of the above are wrong, and all the industry leaders provide all
three (because they all make sense together).  I think it is reasonable
to accomplish #1 first and to realize that #1 is all that allot of
people want.  And it may be unrealistic to expect any kind of
interoperability standards related to #2 and #3;  look how long #1 has
taken.

Personally, #2 is my world.  With hundreds of users spread across
several states the infrastructure to keep information and agendas moving
through the pipe lines has occupied most of my time for the last year.  

<Aside> I find it amusing when I read on Slashdot how groupware is an
albatross.  And there is the infamous -
http://www.jwz.org/doc/groupware.html - that gave birth to Hula and
contains the quote: "Groupware" is all about things like workflow, which
means.... Nobody cares about that **** Nobody you'd want to talk to,
anyway"  And that is exactly what our users want - "What happened to my
request?",  "What shmuck is holding it up?", "What exactly did we do in
regards to XYZ?" </Aside>

> 2. Able to sync my laptop to a server and update and sync remotely as well as 
> sync workstation with laptop or server. All three need to be updated with the 
> same information. 

This works, at least for the address book in TB.  

Once [or "if ever" :) ] Consonance is stable complete enough, due to the
absolutely fabulous db4o system - http://www.mono-project.com/DB4O -
doing offline support and sync should actually be pretty simple.  That
is why zOGI has the getVersions method.  DB4o is flat-out the coolest
thing I've bumped into in a long time.

> 3. Able to sync, calendar, contacts, and todos to my mobile.

This is, IMO, done.  It isn't simple as it requires the infrastructure
of Funambol, but it works.   With the notable exception of To-Dos (which
do not work),  but like #2 above I find the to-do application on my Palm
or provided by either Evolution and Outlook to border on useless.

The feature  I miss most of all is the memo support in OGo's original
Palm support [memos could be linked as text files in projects].  *THAT*
was really handy.  You could use your mobile device to update notes
other users could see and also use it as a bulletin board (configuring
the intranet to get certain content from notes - i.e. #3 above).  I miss
that feature every single day.

> Lets see, Ive been on linux now since the late 90's and I still cant get this 
> combo to work in a reliable manner. Can ya feel da pain..:) 

Sure,  this is exaggerated by the fact that nothing stands still;
witness the breaking of pilot-link between versions of
PalmOS/Garnet/or-whatever-it-is-called-this-weak.  This is why Funambol
is such a good option, it adds a middle man that can deal with all the
crazy oddities of each platform;  that is its purpose in life, so all
that kind of stuff actually gets maintained.

> > Anyways, I guess TB + Lightning + the SOGo extensions are quite
> > reasonable. Well, and if you want to target Windows, its the only
> > real (FOSS) option currently (IMHO).
> Not so, 

I think it is reasonable given the #1 definition of groupware.   And
those apps do run on Win32 *today*.

> Big debate in the KDE community was whether to release a windos 
> version and with qt4 and KDE4 this will be the first release. 

And there has been a Win32 release of Evolution;  but it isn't really
usable and until [or if] it grows a viable user base such things will
always lag behind and be maintained in a herky-jerky manner.  And there
is a big difference between a good port of an application and a crappy
one.

> > IMHO it looks better than ever because we have the TB/Lightning
> > extensions, and they are actively maintained.
> > Some thing on MacOS. With iCal supporting CalDAV we are closer than
> > ever with getting reasonable client support.
> Closer then ever is like telling a drownding sailor, only a few more miles to 
> shore lad. And I am going sailing next year so I had hoped to have all this 
> sorted by then. :(

Yea, it does seem like these things have been close for a long time.  I
understand the sentiment.

> Kolab is just OK 

Now here I disagree with you. :)  Kolab is just about the worst idea
ever.  No way one could ever build a reasonable foundation for #2 & #3
definitions of groupware based on IMAP.  Kolab is simply nuts.

> and Groupwise is excellent, expensive, 

I've got Exchange & Domino to play with and learn from;  never used
Groupwise.

> But what about simple end users on linux? 

I think most "simple end users" think groupware in terms of #1.  So
Helge's stack should come at least pretty near to scratching that itch.
And you have to get users to #1 before many of them will embrace #2.

Those of us using groupware in the #2 context won't be satisfied,  thus
we have to keep on hacking...

> > PS: of course there is always a place for real OGo like native
> > clients, say the Consonance thing of Adam :-)
> And that is where a scratch meets an itch. Ya gotta love opensource software 
> and the talent that is invested in such efforts, both at the server end and 
> the front end. Best of luck. 

Patches welcome!


From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 14:07:54 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Chris H)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:07:54 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGO - Kontact Integration
In-Reply-To: <1196135936.7879.44.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <200711232217.10184.chris123@magma.ca> <200711261922.36050.chris123@magma.ca> <1196135936.7879.44.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <200711270907.55614.chris123@magma.ca>

On Monday 26 November 2007 10:58:56 pm Adam Tauno Williams wrote:

> We are very much in the same boat - but I think what is at work here is
> that there are several definitions of groupware people from different
> perspectives use:

Thanks Adam. Thats the best overview I read in a very long time. Wrt to your 
concluding remarks, my greatest frustration is that I have zero coding skills 
as I got into IT far to late in life to learn. This is a young persons game 
and well Im not that young anymore. ...:)

As an aside, a very long time ago and on windows I used Lotus Notes in one of 
the earlier javaless incarnations and years later had a good working 
relationship with the product manager who was working on the Domino port to 
linux. His analysis of the dominance of Outlook in the Market was simple. MS 
gave it away, tied it to the OS with the intend  to sell the backend. So this 
was new at the time and killed off all the competition in the windows world 
as many of the smaller and larger entities simply could not compete for free. 
Lotus Inc was not associated at the time with IBM, so they almost died until 
IBM took over the work and payrole. 

In the linux world the dynamics are completely different. The cost factor is 
not an issue to the same extend rather plays out under a different set of 
rules. What I have noticed however and using linux since pre-KDE days (I 
remember vividly my amazement with the release of KDE1) that very little 
effort has been placed on either client or sever in the PIM/groupware (your 
item 1) space. Helge and company's offering is the best there is available 
right now and my frustration lies not in the server, rather the front end. It 
simply amazes me that linux in general regardless of flavor or tool set 
(gtk,kde,mono, python whatever) has so little interest in this space and 
every effort is announced with much fan fare and other then OGo very little 
comes of it. I dont hold out much for the Mozilla Foundations efforts for 
various reasons. 

On the other hand, Apple has done very well in this space as they have focused 
on it and dedicated resources on it. Syncing personal data from a laptop to a 
base workstation and a mobile phone is effortless. Not with out hickups but 
at least at the 90 percentile level. My Mac friends just laugh at me, but 
they have other issues of compatibility that I don't have. 

What I fail to understand is since even dedicated linux developers need to 
organize and move there personal information from system to system how come 
this area has not received more attention. When palm OS was king of the hill 
there was much integration via personal hacks and project based software. 
However since the demise of palm and a transition to mobile phones this space 
has been left in a vacuum. There are reasons of course but the lack of effort 
on the client side is telling.  Im considering getting an ebay supplied used 
Nokia n800 to play with and test as I really need this capability in an 
effortless, reliable and low powered solution (latter being personal 
requirement) but that is definitely a topic for discuss list. 

As said, Helge's effort to date is the best available on the server side. 
Congrats on picking up the ball and continued success. 

Best regards

/ch

From users@opengroupware.org  Tue Nov 27 14:54:28 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (users@opengroupware.org)
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:54:28 -0200
Subject: [OGo-Users] Filter (Sieve) Problem Using Move To Folder option.
Message-ID: <1196175268.474c2fa4934e8@webmail2.click21.com.br>

Hi Adam,

i executed the commands "Defaults write NSGlobalDomain SieveFilenameSeparator .
" (first try) and "Defaults write NSGlobalDomain SieveFilenameSeparator / "
(second try) but they doens't solve the problem. Thats my "Defaults"
configuration after the tries:

First Try:

[root@server /]# Defaults read NSGlobalDomain
{
    LSAdaptor = PostgreSQL;
    LSConnectionDictionary = {
        databaseName = OGo;
        hostName = localhost;
        password = "";
        port = 5432;
        userName = OGo;
    };
    Languages = (
        English
    );
    SieveFilenameSeparator = ".";
    TimeZoneName = GMT;
}

Second Try:

[root@server /]# Defaults read NSGlobalDomain
{
    LSAdaptor = PostgreSQL;
    LSConnectionDictionary = {
        databaseName = OGo;
        hostName = localhost;
        password = "";
        port = 5432;
        userName = OGo;
    };
    Languages = (
        English
    );
    SieveFilenameSeparator = "/";
    TimeZoneName = GMT;
}

PS.1: I restarted de ogo-webui and postgresql services between the tries, ok.
Just to certify that the OGo was "seeing" the new configuration.

PS.2: I did not undertand the part that you say "In Tools/sky_install_sieve.m is
-.......". I tried to find this file ("sky_install_sieve.m") but i did not found
it. I need to do something more or i forgoten something???

Thank You

Kleber.

===============================================

Yes, I'm pretty certain there is a default that determines the separator
character.

Try setting "SieveFilenameSeparator' in NSGlobalDomain to "."

In Tools/sky_install_sieve.m is -

- (NSString *)sieveFilenameForString:(NSString *)fileName {
  NSUserDefaults *ud = [NSUserDefaults standardUserDefaults];
  NSString *sep;

  if ([fileName hasPrefix:@"/"]) {
    fileName = [fileName substringWithRange:
                           NSMakeRange(1, [fileName length] - 1)];
  }

  sep = [ud stringForKey:@"SieveFilenameSeparator"];
  if (![sep isNotEmpty])
    sep = @".";

  if ([sep isEqualToString:@"/"])
    return fileName; /* return as-is, no transformation required */

  fileName = [[fileName componentsSeparatedByString:@"/"]
	                componentsJoinedByString:sep];
  return fileName;
}





Hello!

I'm having a problem when configuring filters throught the OGo Webmail interface
(LSWImapMailFilterEditor). First of all a have to say that i am using dotted
addresses to the e-mail accounts. To make this work i change to "1" the
"unixhierarchysep" attribute into the "/etc/imapd.conf" file. The problem is:
when i use the option "Move to Folder" to create my filters, they doesn't seen
to work. Looking at the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files i saw that the rule was
created like this one: "fileinto INBOX.WEBMIN". Looking at the "cyradm" a saw
that the address to this folder is "user/smith.rock/webmin". So, if i change,
by hand, the rule into the "ogo.bc" file to "fileinto INBOX/WEBMIN" the filter
works fine.
Thats some way to still using dotted addresses and make OGo save the filters
correctly into the "ogo.script" and "ogo.bc" files???

I'll appreciate some help.

Kleber (from Brazil - João Pessoa/PB)



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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 28 19:06:32 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Daniel H. Latshaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 14:06:32 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo and what client to use.
Message-ID: <1196276792.4287.5.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>

Hello,

For a customer using OGo on the server and Windows on the computers.
What is the best way to connect them to their OGo Calendars and
Contacts?

I've tried Sunbird/Thunderbird  but can't get it to connect.

I've used Outlook and the Connector at another site, but was hoping for
an all open-source solution.

Thanks,

Dan


From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 28 20:05:39 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:05:39 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo and what client to use.
In-Reply-To: <1196276792.4287.5.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
References: <1196276792.4287.5.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
Message-ID: <1196280339.4714.2.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>

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> For a customer using OGo on the server and Windows on the computers.
> What is the best way to connect them to their OGo Calendars and
> Contacts?

Probably Outlook at this point.

> I've tried Sunbird/Thunderbird  but can't get it to connect.

What version of OGo?  What version of Sunbird?  Thunderbird should
certainly work.  Sunbird works with a couple of caveats.

But you have to be using a recent version of OGo in either case (1.1.x)
and not a 1.0.

> I've used Outlook and the Connector at another site, but was hoping for
> an all open-source solution.

There is none that will compare with Outlook.

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From users@opengroupware.org  Wed Nov 28 20:42:15 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Daniel H. Latshaw)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 15:42:15 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo and what client to use.
In-Reply-To: <1196280339.4714.2.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
References: <1196276792.4287.5.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
 <1196280339.4714.2.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
Message-ID: <1196282535.4287.13.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>

Thanks!  see below...


On Wed, 2007-11-28 at 15:05 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> > For a customer using OGo on the server and Windows on the computers.
> > What is the best way to connect them to their OGo Calendars and
> > Contacts?
> 
> Probably Outlook at this point.
> 
> > I've tried Sunbird/Thunderbird  but can't get it to connect.
> 
> What version of OGo?  What version of Sunbird?  Thunderbird should
> certainly work.  Sunbird works with a couple of caveats.

Using the latest from mozilla.org, as of a week ago.  Not on site at the
moment to check exact number

> But you have to be using a recent version of OGo in either case (1.1.x)
> and not a 1.0.

Using a 1.0 version.  We are planning on upgrading, but may wait until
after Christmas.  They are a non-profit and Christmas is too busy for
them to swap servers.

Should i use the latest version when i upgrade, or a stable version?

> > I've used Outlook and the Connector at another site, but was hoping for
> > an all open-source solution.
> 
> There is none that will compare with Outlook.

If i could connect Evolution, i would.  Now that Evolution works on
Windows it would be a great alternative.


From users@opengroupware.org  Thu Nov 29 03:17:16 2007
From: users@opengroupware.org (Adam Tauno Williams)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 22:17:16 -0500
Subject: [OGo-Users] OGo and what client to use.
In-Reply-To: <1196282535.4287.13.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
References: <1196276792.4287.5.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
 <1196280339.4714.2.camel@WM_ADAM1.morrison.iserv.net>
 <1196282535.4287.13.camel@trustnoone.latshaw.us>
Message-ID: <1196306236.4457.2.camel@aleph.morrison.iserv.net>

> > > For a customer using OGo on the server and Windows on the computers.
> > > What is the best way to connect them to their OGo Calendars and
> > > Contacts?
> > Probably Outlook at this point.
> > > I've tried Sunbird/Thunderbird  but can't get it to connect.
> > What version of OGo?  What version of Sunbird?  Thunderbird should
> > certainly work.  Sunbird works with a couple of caveats.
> Using the latest from mozilla.org, as of a week ago.  Not on site at the
> moment to check exact number
> > But you have to be using a recent version of OGo in either case (1.1.x)
> > and not a 1.0.
> Using a 1.0 version.  

That absolutely won't work.  GroupDAV support, and certainly any CalDAV
compatibility patches, are all post 1.0

> We are planning on upgrading, but may wait until
> after Christmas.  They are a non-profit and Christmas is too busy for
> them to swap servers.
> Should i use the latest version when i upgrade, or a stable version?

Using the latest would be my recommendation.  See the explanation of
versions in WMOGAG -
http://docs.opengroupware.org/Members/whitemice/wmogag/file_view

> > > I've used Outlook and the Connector at another site, but was hoping for
> > > an all open-source solution. 
> > There is none that will compare with Outlook.
> If i could connect Evolution, i would.  Now that Evolution works on
> Windows it would be a great alternative.

Nah, Evolution support is pretty bad.  No one is maintaining the
GroupDAV connector;  not to mention that Evolution on Windows is really
rough.


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